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NY HE Speaker Standouts

I'm always interested in looking for speakers around the $4k mark that most of us mortal audiophiles would consider to be the upper end of speakers we can actually afford. So here are my impressions of the rooms from this year's NY HE show worth mentioning, IMHO, for better or worse.

VON SCHWEIKERT VR4JR/DK Design VS1 mk2 Room:

The surprise of the show. I have auditioned these speakers at shows and dealer show rooms on at least 5 different occasions in the past, each time walking away disappointed. To me, they always sounded like good hi-fi, just not natural. The big difference this time around, I believe, was the DK Design VS1 mk2 integrated amp ($3k) that was driving the VR4jrs. I have never heard this amp in person and most of you know the controversy surrounding this amp here on A-gon. But the sound was remarkable, most notably the soundstaging, imaging, and dynamics. I was perhaps one of the most open sounding speaker I heard under 10k at the show. Images just floated in a large black soundstage with instruments jumping out at you when called for. The imaging, staging, and dynamics remind me of my system (more on this later) but better.

I asked DK what was done to the amp and found out he replaced the stock tube with NOS Mullards (CVS ?, goes for around $160) with Herbies Halo tube dampeners. This amp was the long lost mate the VR4jr needed as there was tremendous synergy. The digital front end was the Oracle transport and DAC (over $10k), and cabling was by Analysis Plus. According to DK, it was the amp that took the VR4jrs to another level, not the digital front end or cabling.

The downside to this combo was some grain and rolling in the upper frequencies, slight rounding of the leading transients on cymbals, and still some residual hi-fi sound (eg, vocals not as smooth as my reference speakers) that started to fatigue me after about 30 minutes of listening. Please don't get the wrong impression. It definately was not driving me out of the room, but I could imagine after about 1 hour of listening I would need a break.

I heard the VR4jrs in other rooms with much more expensive electronics (ie, $19k VACs) and was unimpressed.

Overall, very impressive. Kudos for DK integrated for revealing what the VR4jrs are capable of.

HYPERION HPS-938/HYPERION ELECTRONICS ROOM:

Some of you may know, the 938s are my reference speakers. I wrote an extensive review on these speakers last year. These remain the best speakers I have ever heard in real world setting (eg, living room in your home). In other words, I may be biased so don't flame me.

This year, the 938s were set up in a much smaller room than last year's NY HE show. Compared to the VR4jr/DK VS1 room or last year's room, it was about 4 feet less wide. This was unfortunate because it didn't show off the soundstaging capability of these speakers.

This year the 938s were mated with their new SS balanced monoblock amps ($1.6k) and new KT88 monoblock tube amps ($2.8k). The preamp was their SS balanced preamp ($1.5k). Digital front end was the venerable Sony SCD1 SACD player. Cabling was by Hyperion using their silver biwire cables.

Since the VR4jrs ($4k), the 938s ($4.5k), and amps/preamp (~$3k) are similarly priced, a comparison is in order. The rooms and electronics were different, an absolute comparison is not possible.

These are my impressions of their sound at the Show. The 938s are still much smoother and more natural sounding the VR4jrs. From top to bottom, the 938s are more coherent. Imaging were on par with each other. The Hyperion tube monoblock made the midrange of the 938s bloom seductively and the highs just silkenly wet, which were not as refined on the VR4jrs.

The soundstaging is where the VR4jrs were clearly better, benefiting from the larger room and perhaps the DK amp. I know from last year's Show and personal experience that the 938s could equal the soundstaging of the VR4jrs in a comparable room.

The VR4jrs were also clearly better in dynamics being driven by the DK amp that puts out at least 300 watts in 4 ohms and clips at 800 watts into a 1 ohm load. The Hyperion SS monoblock puts out 100 watts into 4 ohms and the tube monoblock puts out 18 watts. Perhaps, the comparison isn't fair.

The 938's bass was respectable driven by their SS or tube monoblock, but not as dynamic as the VR4jrs driven by the DK. Also room size is likely a factor.

If I had to sum up my experience of the two rooms at the Show, I would put it this way. The VR4jr/DK combo just kicked your ass with it's amazing dynamics/soundstage and in your face presentation, but it lacked ultimate refinement. The 938/Hyperion SS/Tube monos seduced you with it's refined, coherent, holographic sound, but lacked the tremendous dynamics of the other. Even though the VR4jr/DK sound is impressive at first, I found myself experiencing some fatigue after about 30 minutes of continous listening. Given a choice, I would still choose the Hyperion room over the VS/DK room becuase I could listen to music for hours without fatigue. Please note these are comparisons of the Hyperion and VS/DK rooms at the Show, not of the speakers individually which I could only do in my home using the same electronics

So the real question is, how does the 938s sound with the DK integrated using the NOS Mullard tubes? Could I get the same level of refinement but with the tremendous dynamics of the DK? If anyone can answer this question, I would give my left testicle!

INNERSOUND KAYA REFERENCE/INNERSOUND ELECTRONICS ROOM:

I used to be an Innersound fan when the Eros was introduced for $4k in the late 90's. Now their top of the line electrostatic goes for $20k and was mated to their electronics costing around $30k, not including the Redline turntable which I'm sure costs tens of thousands. They only allowed 4 people at a time (seated one behind the other) to listen to the set up because of electrostats extremelhy narrow sweet spot. The sound? Better than last year. Tremendous bass from LP. Good imaging. No emotional involvement. Flat stage. Not the transparency I associate with electrostats. So what does >$50k get you? You come up with your own conclusions.

If you want electrostat sound with real dynamics, try the Hyperion 938s.

JAS ORIOR SPEAKERS/JAS ARRAY 2.1 INTEGRATED/1.1 PREAMP:

Very impressive stuff from this Chinese company. The US distributor is Gini Systems (www.gini.com). The Orior is very handsome 2-way using the Accuton ceramic mid/bass driver and their own proprietary aluminum ribbon tweeter, although another new speaker from Sound Fusion (?Canadian company) seemed to have a very similar tweeter. I think the Orior goes for around $3.7k. Very clean, transparent sound with excellent imaging from these speakers being driven by what I thought was the most impressive looking integrated amp at the Show. Go to the Gini website. It is a single end integrated with dual transformers using two 300B tubes as drivers for the two 805 power tubes to produce 45 watts of single ended power! The god damn thing weighs over 100lbs, is finished in gray, and looks beautiful. People were guessing >$10k for the integrated. But get this, it goes for around $2.9k!!!! And they were giving 20% (or 25%?) discount at the Show! Fricken unbelievable what the Chinese are doing these days.

Well, I hope you enjoyed my post. There were other notable standouts from MBL speakers, Audio Consulting Empress speakers, etc. But these speaker are priced to impress those living in LaLa Land and not significantly better, IMHO, than what I mentioned above.
dracule1
sirspeedy70680e509
1,064 posts
 
Everyone has their own way of perceiving things.To me and my little group of audio pals,the TAD-1's in use in the Iso-Mike demo were clearly the wave of the future.You simply must take into account that the ancillary stuff used here most probably added to the slight brightness that some have comented on.Not to mention the show/line(hotel)conditions.How long have most of us had,setting up and refining our rigs,in our rooms?

These speakers were STUNNING,in 2/4 or EVEN IF THEY WERE HEARD MONO!!They were Anthony Cordesman's "finest component" ever reviewed.His words,not mine,though when one takes show conditions into account,these babbies were amazing.

Listening carefully(I returned to the room/demo 5 or 6 times,to confirm I wasn't dreaming)there was TOTAL driver integration,with a staggering highly resolved and dynamic presentation.I heard them in 2 channel,as well,and the sound WAS consistent.I thought the Kharma MIDI/overpriced Ex REF was insulting in comparison to the TAD,especially at 30 grand more.I then returned,twice,to hear the JM Labs NOVA's that I had always considered as a future speaker,for me.FAGETABOUTIT!!The TAD is more revealing,by a long shot,and the bass of the NOVA was now revealed to be bloated in comparison.Something I had always been suspicious of,when auditioning the French beauties,on numerous occassions!Just my 2 cents!The VON SCHWEIKERT VR 9's,to me,were surprisingly good,but still had HI FI colorations in comparison to the mind blowing design(even if some of you "Just don't get it")of the TAD's!!BTW,I don't think I can be happy until I can steal a set.Just kidding!!
dgad
782 posts
 
I loved the VR4 Srs as well. I liked the VR9s but felt they needed to do more for the money. I felt the VR4s were better. Best of all I liked my own personal system. What a great feeling.

I loved the Harmonix / Reimyo room. What an amazing CDP. It was tempting but a more extensive audition was needed.

I was disappointed in the Kharma Lamm room. Every year I want to bee enthusiastic about Kharma speakers. Every year I leave dissappointed.

I also came to some final conclusions on listening to the EMM w. the new transport. I am still using an old Philips that is modified. At the show w. the new transport CD still sounded well how should I say it, like CD in almost all the rooms I went to. I wish I could have heard the new DCS equipment. I did think the DCS hear was excellent. I felt the EMM on CD was very good but not in the league of Reimyo on CD. Saying that the Reimyo sounded very close to the EMM on SACD. No direct comparison but a beautiful full and smooth sound in both rooms. Every time someone played a CD on the EMM I was able to hear the images get smaller & less palpable. A few rooms had some great turntables. The vinyl people were so happy to hear vinyl & commented accordingly. But in truth Vinyl wasn't necessarily better. It still depended on the recording etc. I heard a master tape on the VR 9s. Great sound.

I am sold on the VR 4s as a great value and think if the price range fits give them a listen. I didn't listen to the JRs this year. I was hopping to hear the Wilson Maxxs since Wilson was listed on the internet. I was upset about missing them. Of course I am biased. I also wish I heard the Sound By Singer rooms as many people commented on the excellense of the sound. All the big rooms from years ago were split w. panels. I missed having the bigger better sounding rooms from previous years.
tbg
5,263 posts
 
Dgad, I entirely agree with you about the Reimyo CDP. I have had the early dCS and the same EMM gear you have. Presently I have the Exemplar 3910 which to my listening is better than both, but the Reimyo CDP is king! I have several times come to the point of buying one, but it would be in addition to my Exemplar.
dgad
782 posts
 
Tbg, What impressions did you have between the SACD on your unit or the EMM as compared to each other & the Reimyo on CD. The Reimyo peoples said they will be no longer producing the CDP soon as the transport is no longer being produced by JVC. I know this should change forums.

As for best sounding speakers the true question is best sounding system. The Harmonix room speakers were very good as well. I just felt that they had a definite "sound" which I can't describe. I found they excelled with certain music & in other situations they were just very good. Overall listening to lots of music the VR4s were great.
flrnlamb
508 posts
 
In response to "Rgs92's" comments, I beg to differ in that, there's really not that much more you can expect from a speaker than that's already done in these designs, in the area's I'm mentioned sonically. I mean, how big of a soundstage do you think is realistic? How perfect is YOUR PRECEPTION of what a super midrange is supposed to be? How much more detail?...none! You can already milk every detail with some of these designs RIGHT NOW!
Basically, you can change amps, toe-in speakers and change width to affect imaging and midrange/tonality, etc, whatever. And the sound of speakers is greatly affected by everything in the room really!...as you know. So, I don't put every emphesis on what most speakers can offer, as the "end all-be all" of transducers.
I've worked in 6 audio stores, and have been around this stuff for over 20 years seriously. I don't get blown away by much anymore.
The last great thing to float around was the superb Avantgard horns. But then, sonically, they fall off like a rock off axis..which is a deal breaker for me...not to mention their mass and bulk. But, they're still good speakers.
I mean, really, you can nit-pick about some magical attribute your fav speaker offers, or about your setup. But I garantee, no one else will listen to your system, and really give a care! I garantee it!!!
Really, dynamics is the deal for me for high end speakers. They eigher deiliver the goods, or why waste my money! I'm at that point now. I listen to too much dynamically bassed music and movie material, to be satisfied with your typical passive audiophile-fare as of late. At least I gotta somehow make the dynamics happen, or I'm just not happy.
There are some designs that do good in this area, with room for improvment. This is the single most under-achieving aspect of most speakers IME. I'd like to see better.
If you don't think so, just pop in most any heavy dynamic, metal, rap, techno, heavy rock, new-world, Disco, hip-hop, or movie, and you'll understand...for all you Dianna Krall, Bach(?), and Jazz at the pawn shop listeners, you might not neither care nor understand....but I personally need a system to have some passion and drive. Otherwise, it's a "gutless/heartless" experience.
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