How do inductors help impedence matching?


Newbee question: Can someone explain to me how a coil used for low pass filtering helps impedence matching with the amp? My speaker designer told me that the purpose of the 1.5mH inductor on my woofer crossover is primarily impedence matching, rather than as a filter. When I remove the coil from the crossover circuit, the sound changes very little. I would like to bypass the inductor, unless this might cause other problems. Thanks much.
scott
skushino
OK, continuing the automobile transmission analogy, the load presented by the speaker to the amp would be like the steepness of the hill, correct? The steeper the hill (more difficult speaker load, or lower impedence), the more current needed to go. And a more benign speaker load would be like a gradual incline, requiring less current and benefiting from more voltage, right?

I'm driving very high-efficiency horns ~108dB sensitivity. I was first going to try the 4ohm tap, striving for more current to the 15" woofer. Instead, would it be a better idea to try the 16ohm tap for better power transfer compared to the present 8 ohm tap?

bty, listening without the coil filter is to my ears, much clearer and "transparent".

Best,
Scott
Scott. you seem to lack the understanding of basic concepts of crossovers as they relate to inductors. I am sure Bruce can give you some good info. I have a 5-way edgar horn system, btw. removing the coil is going to basically remove the low-pass on the woofer. The reason it sounds clearer is the woofer is running full range most likely. inductors affect a lot more than impedance, they affect frequency response. go model the crossover using existing values, in an online crossover program and see what the points and slopes are. Swapping taps on the output of the amp is going to fool with the sound even more. you are better off leaving it at 8 ohm tap most likely. Anything different is going to reflect a different impedance to the output tube through the OPT. Frankly, this sort of discussion is better off at H.E. asylum where there are far more skilled people to reply (than here) incl. Bruce Edgar himself. Basically, leave the Xover alone, you stand to do (more) damage to the sound and the gear by fooling with it and not knowing what you are doing . BTW, lose the Fane. it sounds bad in comparison to the better Fostex like T925A and T900A. Bruce himself is going with Fostex in his stuff now, generally (for those that want the best sonics). Fane is efficient but that's all it is. It's harsh and grating compared to Fostex, I have owned all 3 + EV, ST-350, etc.

-Ed
Coils (inductances) Decrease Impedance as Frequency gets lower. The formula is Inductive Reactance = 2 times Pi times the Frequency times the Inductace value. As frequencies go lower, so does the inductive reactance. The Impedance is the vector sum of the Inductive reactance and any pure resistance in the circuit, which is not frequency-dependent like the reactance; therefore the Impedence of a coil decreases with decreasing frequency (and increases with higher frequencies). Capacative reactance is the opposite- Lower frequencies have higher reactance and vice versa.

I actually just had dealt with this issue when I was building a small circuit to make an oscilloscope display like the ones found in Marantz tuners. When using a Capacitor and Resistor (for phase shift) the lissajous pattern was kinda blurry. When I changed the capacitor with a coil, the blurriness went away. This is because the capacitor blocked the low freqencies and passed the high ones (more fuzzy display). With the coil the lows were passed and the highs were blocked, so the pattern was less fuzzy.
An inductor of 1.5mH would correspond to an 850Hz crossover for 8 ohm driver (and 1700 Hz for a 4 ohm driver). It must be in series.

If the speaker is 8 ohms, the 8 ohm tap will maximize power. Try the others if you want...it will not hurt anything. If your ears are happy without the inductor by all means leave it that way. What you have done is to use the 15" driver to a higher frequency, and attenuated the horn tweeter by leaving the woofer in parallel with it. Attenuating a horn tweeter is not a bad idea (IMHO).
Thanks for many informative responses.

Gs5556 - the inductor is in series, used as a low-pass filter and "impedence matching" component.

Ed_sawyer - have read many of your posts here and at AA, and found some of them imformative. In this instance, your reply is a statement of the obvious:

"removing the coil is going to basically remove the low-pass on the woofer" (thank you...)

"go model the crossover using existing values, in an online crossover program and see what the points and slopes are" (As Bruce says, the model has little bearing on resulting sound. Besides, I did model the xover about 4 weeks ago)

"you are better off leaving it at 8 ohm tap most likely" (why? have you tried the other taps? I'm interested)

"Bruce Edgar himself" (yes, we talk)

"Basically, leave the Xover alone, you stand to do (more) damage to the sound and the gear by fooling with it and not knowing what you are doing" (as Bruce says, the crossover values he uses are the result of an iterative process, and the Titan and Edgarhorn values are the results of his years of listening. My MF driver is different than his)

I am still forming an impression about the Fane, but in general agree with you. Am very interested in listening to the Fostex and T350. Ed, I would be very grateful if you share your experience with these in your Edgarhorns.

I asked alot of basic questions in different ways because it helps me to learn and gain a deeper understanding, which I try to apply in my system.

Joeylawn36111 - thanks for your explanation

Eldartford - you're priceless. Thank you.

Scott