How would you desribe Von Schweiket VR-4jr sound?

Opalchip, As one of the owners who is not happy with the finish quality of the speaker, I will agree on that point. We are all buying what we enjoy, and I have no doubt any trained musician has a heck of a lot more knowledge as to what insturments should actually aound like. I guess there are several schools of thought as to what sounds most "realistic", and depending upon ones exposure, he or hshe chooses accordingly. Thanks for your perspective....interesting .
I enjoy the sound, and to each his own is what it's really all about.
Carl

Opalchip: Thank you for not posting again. You are an ignorant - bombastic fool. You contradict yourself and insult everyone on Audiogon by saying that "audiophiles" put equipment above music as a priority. What else is the equipment for but to listen to music?

You supposedly are an expert speaker designer who could teach VS how to better design speakers, you supposedly play several instruments, have had extensive musical training - I suppose your a Navy Seal, fighter pilot, and astronaut also.

Your post did nothing but put down VS's design, sound, finish, and you assumed that everyone who bought them is dumping them. Then, in your next post you say VS is a "very fine speaker designer".

I could go on and on about your inconsistencies, but I think it is transparent. By the way if this post was about any other piece of equipment that I was familiar with, I'd call you on your ignorant statements just the same. This has nothing to do with VS – I have no special interest in him or these speakers other than my enjoyment.

I buy CDs that I listen to only in my car, because they sound so horrible, but I like the music. We are trying to get closer to the music and bad recordings hide and distort the original music that was recorded. If your a music lover than I would think that would be important to you.

There were several criticisms that were posted above, and although I may not have noticed the same sounds from these speakers in my system, you could tell that they were legitimate and from actual experience. You say you’re a music lover, but all you’ve talked about is the design and other physical characteristics - everything but the sound.

If you would have said that it is a very revealing speaker that won't hide bad recordings or equipment - that would have been a contribution. But, when you say that it's for gear head audiophiles and not for music lovers, then go on to explain who fits in what box - then you just sound ignorant - and do a disservice to people seeking the truth.

Rob

Rob, Just read this thread including all of your posts. You sound like your ox has been severly gored, however I find little justification for the 'personal' nature of your posts which attack others, including Opalchip. So be it. You define yourself far more than you define others - your choice. :-(

But, in passing, I would ask you to reflect on and qualify one of your statements. Exactly what do you believe constitutes the "truth" that "people" are seeking? Assuming that you can define this "truth" how do you know when you are in its presence? And how do you know that "people" are seeking this "truth"? IMHO most folks are seeking that in which they find the greatest pleasure, but aren't so presumptious as to call it "truth" in any universal sense. Last I heard Diogenes was still walking about with his lamp.

Since we've veered off a little bit here, I decided to reread the original post. I'm under the auditioner category and this sums up my experience: I found the 4jrs to be involving (which is a good thing, I wasn't looking around the room or checking the time on my watch...), but rather than an emotional connection to the music/performance, I felt more of a connection to the sound quality of the recording. So there WAS a connection, it just wasn't the one that I ultimately look for.

I think that's why I categorize them as fun to listen to. If someone's particular priorities are different than mine, then it's very possible that the 4jrs can provide emotional connection for them - that's fine. It's ok, we don't all have the opportunity to hear every piece of gear in the world, but I'm just very used to the seamless integration that my speakers provide, and that's what I listen for in other brands. I would still recommend anyone in the price range to try them, because we all hear things differently.

Newbee, thanks for refering to the "truth" thread - I meant to get to that.