Preamp for Aesthetix / Atma-sphere


Hi

I have the Aesthetix Io Eclipse with volume and dual power supplies, Atma-sphere MA-1 monoblocs (140 watts) and Audiokinesis Dream Maker (93 db sensitive) speakers. These are great components. My question is about system synergy, how to make them play together.

I have been running the Io direct to my amps since I first bought the Mk2 version back in 2004. At the time, I had a Krell FPB600, and in that context, it was a blessing, and a great step up from the Krell KAV 250p preamp. I'll never forget my first impression with the Io - it was like going from the wooded hills up into the mountains. There was no going back.

With volume, the Io functions as a preamp. It looks like a preamp. Someone here on A-gon said going direct is best - which I interpreted as: it IS a preamp! So I thought, OK I have a combined phono and preamp - problem fixed. But it wasn't.

From recent testing I have finally become convinced that the Io does benefit from a separarate preamp. Even if clarity and detail is better going direct from the Io to the amps, the punch and "here-ness" of the music is clearly better with a preamp in the chain, at least in my system.

Trouble is, which preamp? I am testing a small solid state Musical Innovation preamp, which helps with the punch but veils the music. An optimal solution might be the Aesthetix Callisto, preferably with dual power - but I don't have the space, and I already have a lot of tubes and tube heat. I have space for one or possibly two boxes.

From what I have heard so far, a solid state might do the job well (in my tube-rich context), however it should not impart any s-state artifacts or reduce the resolution from the Io Eclipse.

The ideal would be to test a few tube and s-state preamps, and then decide. However, this is difficult where I live, so advice is welcome.

My question relates to my own setup of course, but is relevant for everyone with a top phono stage on the one hand and amps on the other. What is best in the middle?

From recent testing I have learned that problems that I thought were related to the speakers, the phono pre, the pickup and so on, were in fact related to the preamp issue. For example, the Dream Makers straight from the Io may sound a bit lazy and washed out in the bass, very clear in mid and treble but not fully embodied. Plugging in the solid state pre, the situation becomes dramatically different, now the speakers are driving, propulsive. Very enjoyable, but some detail is lost and some transistor things added that I don't want.

So I am looking for a solution with most of the plusses, and not much of the minuses. The preamp must be fully balanced with XLR in / out.
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On the 12BH7s, 1950's Brimars are recognized as the best, maybe followed by RCA white label 1950s D-getters...but I have both and still find the RCA red label, grey plates to be best. All, of course, is contextual (my relative context being a AirTight 300B 8W SET with WE300Bs & original Genalex Gold Lion B749s & 1940 black plate JAN RCA 5U4 rectifier), but here the RCA red label keeps winning....

The bonus? NOS RCA 12BH7 red labels in true matched pairs are pretty cheap, say $125/pr at most for good labels.

With that said, I'd still go for the MP-1...very spacious, very involving.
Damn Asa, that was one of the most informative post I was looking for here, Dude, Thankyou!
i agree the STEALTH DREAM is better than the DOMINUS,

HI Asa,the RCA 12BBH7 red label,the getter is D or O getter?thanks,i will try later if i can found
All - it is the RCA 12 BH7 red label which is the only 12BH7 tube I have experience with. I have routinely bought pairs of this tube for $40 or so which is a lot less than the insane prices for the great 6922 tubes that the RCA replaced in the Aria line stage. And yes, the Aria supports the 6v 6922 or the 12v 12au7 family with a flip of a switch. Gotta love it as the 12v tubes here take the unit to a whole new level even vs. the coveted Amperex 6922 pinched waist which now resides in the phono stage.

For you IO guys, if you want a little more treble extension, try just a single pair of Brimar 4004, a 12ax7 variant, in the last stage. I used Tele 12ax7's throughout in the IO but one pair of Brimars here added some upper freq extension that was quite nice.