Ok, cool, thanks for highlighting the differences. I don't find CES to be stuffy overall. It varies depending on the manufacturer. Some are stuffy, some are not. I'd say most are not. From what you're saying, it does sound like at RMAF you can spend more time in the rooms. That is key, especially when you're considering buying that product, and there's no dealer that really has it to audition. At CES, there is an unwritten law regarding time limits. It seems some manufacturers want you in and out and don't want you staying too long. Anyway, that's my take.