Tube Amp for Martin Logan Speakers


Hi, I love tube sound through my Martin Logan Aerius-i fronts and Cinema-i center. I currently have a Butler 5150 which is a hybrid, but it busted on me and would cost $700 to fix. I've had china stereo tube amps that were pretty good and gave true tube sound, but not enough drive for higher volumes. I live in condo, so not like I can blast music anyways but still. I got the Butler because I wanted 5 channel tube sound for home theatre (The piercing sound from my Denon 3801 receiver was not pleasant to my ears). It appears there are only three multi-channel tube amps around, from Mcintosh, Butler 5150, and Dared DV-6C. The latter two are hybrids, and the last one was one of the worst tube amps i've ever heard. I have no clue why 6Moons gave the Dared a 2010 award, but maybe it's because it produces only 65W.

So since multichannel tube amps are hard to come by, and they tend to be hybrid, I was thinking maybe it would be best to get three true tube monoblocks to power my fronts. Thing is I wonder if they will be underpowered for my speakers, and not sure which ones are decent for the price. Maybe China made ones would suffice, and they still go for pretty expensive price. I'm wondering if anybody knows of a decent powerful tube monoblock that is affordable, because I can't pay $3000 per block. or maybe best to just repair my Butler. Thing is, I'm not confident that it is reliable. The tubes are soldered in which is weird, and i've taken it to a couple repair guys who both said that the design is not good, because it's very tight inside and more susceptible to being fried from DC voltage areas. it's too sensitive.

Any suggestions for tube monoblocks, even if china made ones? the holy grail for me would be Mcintosh tube amp, but they are hard to come by. Thanks.

smurfmand70
From the Marin Logan website:

Quote:
However, it is important that the amplifier be stable operating into varying impedance loads: an ideally stable amplifier will typically be able to deliver nearly twice its rated 8 Ohm wattage into 4 Ohms, and should again increase into 2 Ohms. Quote:

Cheers George
Where did ML ever pick up that crazy paradigm?

I guess it's always easier to put the burden on the other guy :-) That's a pretty safe bet no matter which way one thinks technically.
However, it is important that the amplifier be stable operating into varying impedance loads: an ideally stable amplifier will typically be able to deliver nearly twice its rated 8 Ohm wattage into 4 Ohms, and should again increase into 2 Ohms.

'Stable' means that the amp won't oscillate when presented with the load in question.

Atmasphere, perhaps I'm not seeing the same things you are?

Perhaps. Take a look at Fig 4 at the link you provided.
04-11-14: Atmasphere'Stable' means that the amp won't oscillate when presented with the load in question.
Stable is a given with any amp, you may have missed the rest of the Martin Logan quote for the type of amp they recommend for their speakers. And to get these sort of figures, the amps need low output impedance, to get it. So here it is again.

" Be able to deliver NEARLY twice its rated 8 Ohm wattage into 4 Ohms, and should again increase into 2 Ohms."

In other words for the uninitiated, what's needed is an amp that can ALMOST double it's 8ohm wattage for each halving of load.

EG:
8ohm-100watts
4ohm-200watts
2ohm-400watts

Cheers George