TBG, I still plan to take your advise on the 103 stands for the speakers when I get the money together, I will give the star sound a whirl, I do trust your ears, norm, I have been thru alot, I just got my system back on line after a year and a couple weeks off line, you will not believe the hell I have been thru, it's like a audio horror story!, lots of money, heart ache, etc....Thankyou Norm.