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"The new surround Onkyo receivers are in stereo a lot better than the ones of last year. They also will give stage depth.

In the tests I did between the old and new Onkyo receivers. I only found out that in Multi channel with Audyssey the stage is deeper an wider. And you hear also more decay. They use better capacitors, these give a much more musical sound. The individual focus of instuments and voices with the new ones is also a lot better."

Bo, do you use the amplifier sections of the Onkyo receivers or just the preamp?

I can tell you that I can crush all Marantz and Denon surround and integrated amps with ease.

I can achieve this with using Onkyo surround receivers. The difference are huge. Going back to Marantz and Denon with Monitor Audio you will loose all depth. These are the most common brands in the Netherlands. They also loose in sharpness in focus compared to the Onkyo

I have even proven that I beat a Marantz KI integrated of 3000 dollar with a Onkyo 5010 with Pro. It was superior in every single aspect you Judge an amp for.

I use these Onkyo surround amps also often for people who only play stereo. I can demo that my configuration wins in every single part you Judge a amp for against others.

- stunning 3d stage with a lot of depth and width. Going back to Marantz and Denon it is all gone.

- Better timing and more control compared to Denon and Marantz.

_ a much sharper individual focus.

- even in sound it is better than both brands with Audyssey

- a superior integration in every room based on the acoustics.

- much better articulation of voices and details.

* This is so much fun to do and compare. This is what I said; it is so easy to win it.

With the Onkyo PR-SC5509 with my way of pro I achieve a stunning level as a pre amp. I play about 80% in stereo.

Since 2009 I use Pass labs poweramps. I owned the Pass Labs XP-20 for 2 years of time.

With the Onkyo PR-SC5509 and my pro measurement I get a superior level compared to the XP-20 with Pass Labs.

The biggest differences are:

a much sharper individual focus of instruments and voices. This you easilly can hear in 2th and 3th voices. They are a lot more clear than what you get with the XP-20.

With the target curves I used I have a much better articulation of voices. You hear deatials which are not there or almost not there with the XP-20.

In drive it is the same thing. You also can play a lot louder without any roomacoustic limitation. Withe the XP-20 the room will work against you a lot sooner.

With the Stillpoints, Audioquest Wel, Redwood and Purist Audio LE powercables you get an extreme level of 3D sound. Instruments and voices are physical apparent at a level most people never heard. The differences in Heights give you a new level in listening to music. The air around voices make them so much more intimate.

We had a long discussion here at Audiogon about why some cables are so expensive. Audio needs to be more open and transparent.

That is why this monday I had a dicussion about cables with the head of Audioquest Europe.

I said to him; this need to be heard. This makes music so much more involving and unique. That is why shows needs be held differently.

I have many clients with Onkyo and Primare togheter. Like 5509 with Primare power amps. But also 5010 with an extra Primare poweramp for frontspeakers.

"I can tell you that I can crush all Marantz and Denon surround and integrated amps with ease. "

Crush, Kill....Destroy!!!!