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I am trying to set up my new VPI 3D arm as close to perfection as I can. On the Analog Planet, Michael Fremer gives one opinion, however, a different opinion was voiced by Harry at VPI, and Peter at Soundmith. I've been discussing this with them....Fremer says that SRA should be adjusted even if the back end of the arm is WAY high up as needed, whereas Harry, and Peter said to start with the arm in a horizontal position and move it slightly up and down to find the sweet spot. Peter said that my cartridge (Benz LPS) and some others have an additional facet in the diamond so bringing the arm up in back would be exaggerating the proper SRA. When I wrote back to Fremer, he answered with an insistance that he was correct. Does anyone want to add to the confusion??
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Csontos, I don't think so but you could say the same thing about SRA as well. What percentage of 1 degree of SRA is adjusted for with fine VTA adjustment?
I'd say it's pretty well infinite. But the change in overhang as a result is so exponentially minute as to be irrelevant once it's been set with VTA in the ballpark.
"Adjust for proper timing between fundamental and harmonics."
Since it came from Frank Schroeder, who is widely regarded as a guru in all matters vinyl, this simple statement sounds brilliant and true. Now, will someone please tell me how "timing" is affected by SRA? I thought I knew that timing was the job of the turntable. Perhaps what is meant is that when proper tonal balance is achieved (by optimal adjustment of SRA/VTA) then harmonics are more naturally portrayed, which may give one a sense of better time-dependent relationships. (I don't really even like this, my own, explanation.) But when a guru speaks, the faithful must struggle to understand.

My difficulty understanding Mr. Schroeder's statement (which you all seem to accept as gospel) reminds me of a well worn anecdote about an all-knowing Buddhist monk who lives high in the Himalayas. A group of his acolytes struggle for months through deprivation and hardship, climbing to reach his lair, whereupon they ask him, "Oh great one, please tell us, what is the meaning of life?" His response: "A wet bird never flies at night."
Dear Sarcher30/friends: For years audiophiles talked of VTA and almost never of SRA. When making adjustments at the pivot of tonearms almost all refered that adjustments as VTA, even today many speaks as VTA.

In reality noithing " wrong " with that because at the end what we want is to understand what is happening with that kind of adjustment.

VTA and SRS are two parameters that can't " live " one with out the other: when you change VTA you change too SRA and the other way around too.
In both cases always affect the overhang that could be more critical ( as I posted here ) than changes in VTF that affect too overhang. The right overhang always lower tracking distortions and minute overhang deviations increment in a severe way the tracking distortions all over the LP surface.

IMHO if we are making changes in VTA/SRA with out checking/new set up on overhang then what we are doing is only listening higher distortions but ( even if we like what we hear. ) that achieved " sweet spot " is totally FALSE or everything but sweet spot.

The name of the game in cartridge/tonearm set up ( as in almost any audio subject ) is: accuracy, with out it we have almost " nothing " but high distortions.

Btw, if I remember we need around a change of 4mm. in VTA for one degree change on SRA.

Regards and enoy the music,
R.

PS: ++++ " me Lp's just sound "off" regardless of SRA setting. " +++++

in a decent audio system and with decent system set up that could happen only if is a bad recording/LP or comes with a different recording equalization than the RIAA.