Turn table speed variation question


I've always found that tracks containing sustained piano notes (chords mainly) seem to highlight the smallest variation in platter speed.

However, I do not notice the same speed variations with sustained notes played on any other instruments.

Works well when auditioning turntables, but a PITA when you hit those older, less than stellar recordings, where the tape machine cause the issue.

Wondered if anyone else had the same experience with a different instrument, or is this specific to the piano.

Thanks
williewonka
Halcro
Your DD has stylus drag as well. The only difference is that it is dealt with by the speed servos. Some belt drives have servos, some have self correcting AC motor controllers.
One could argue that the speed correction for the stylus drag in a direct drive is always working - to what effect on the music ??
In Peterayer's example he could correct the stylus drag at the begining of the record, and then any inherent problems of active speed correction are avoided.
In Peterayers example, the speed error after adjusting for stylus drag at the outset, is the VARIATION between maximum and minimum stylus drag incurred by the stylus tracking the record playing. This will be a small %age of 0.003.
In Peterayers video the record does not appear to be flat - the shadows move up and down on the record. Testing by both Bruce Thigpen with his ET tonearms and the Shure white papers on low frequency resonance confirm the existance of stylus "scrubbing" from imperfections in the groove, even apparently flat records, that cause mistracking and WOW. Shure claim resonant peaks of up to 20db, equating to 10 times increases in motion. The timing errors from this artefact would probably dwarf a timing error of a %age of 0.003.
So its all a bit nebulous really. Consistency is probably the greater virtue in terms of speed accuracy once you get a this level.
I would guess many audiophiles cant hear a speed error of that magnitude, but they are more likely to here WOW on a piano or acoustical guitar note. There are many other factors - my perception is that vacuum hold down greatly improves piano stability as does a tangential tracking tonearm - so if you are looking for perfection in timing there may be bigger gains elsewhere than chasing down a %age of 0.003.
Perhaps you would like to make a video of your TW Akustics and add it to the database.
Heh heh......unfortunately the Raven AC-2 or AC-3 is unable to be adjusted to the exact 33.33rpm with its motor controller.
Some would say this is maddening oversight?
It does however seem to maintain a uniform 'loss' of speed...if that makes any sense?
I applaud you on your SME results and your attempts to encourage others to do the same.......however I somehow doubt that many will contribute as it is just so difficult for a turntable to achieve this feat under constant stylus drag....and no-one wants to have his turntable 'publicly' exposed?
Just for the 'record'....hehe....and to comply with Peterayer's request......
HERE is a video of the TT-101 playing a record (single arm and cartridge).
At the beginning and the end....where there is silence.....the arm has not been dropped...or has been raised.
Halcro, thanks for posting that new video. Love the music and the results are
most impressive.

I agree with Dover that once a certain level of speed accuracy is achieved, other
issues become much more relevant. Speed CONSISTENCY, or what happens
between TimeLine flashes, is one, as are the others mentioned above.

I've just added a video of my old DD Denon DP-45F on my WBF thread database
and results are poor. I'll shortly add a video of my friend's Technics SP10 MK2a.
The Denon is not a particularly good turntable, but it was fun to bring it out of
storage and have a listen. It spun lots of Led Zep back in my college days.
Just added the video of the Technics SP10 MK2a. The results are as impressive as with Halcro's Victor. Here is a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haqhT6khqZY&feature=em-upload_owner#action=share