Turntable suggestion -- budget.. or not?


Not another budget turntable thread, you might sigh... Heh. Well, I promise to make it interesting. A bit about myself first before I get into the main reason for the thread:

I am a musician and fully embrace tube technology and the general 'tone quest' that goes along with (in particular) guitar playing. I've built most of my amp gear -- circuit copies from the late 50s/early 60s. Some of the same characteristics that I seek in guitar tone, i'd like to also have in my listening setup -- warmth. I'm already familiar with the adjectives that get thrown around when describing tone. So, no need to hold back.

So, I'd like see what all the fuss is about... Vinyl appeals to me purely from the sound quality aspect. I have an extensive cd stash, and very little vinyl (this will change if the 'proof' is there).

I'm currently demoing a Pro-Ject 1.3 TT at home right now with a Cambridge 651p into a solid state power amp and out to speakers. The later two pieces gear likely won't change. However, going forward (and if the quality is there) I will build gear to surround my TT setup.

The 1.3 is nice, but the motor on the side is a bit gimmicky IMO. I can hear the hum from the motor (and I *do* have it on a good base). It definitely looks the best! The 651p sounds a bit bright to my ears too. Despite this, I'm quite impressed with what I hear from vinyl. I've been playing alot of recordings I know very well (Miles "kind of blue", and some wes montgomery) and in general things sound not only different but *better*!

Now to the questions. I'm leaning on sending both the 1.3 and 651p back for the reasons I mentioned above. I've had about 6-8 hours of continuous playback and I realize the break-in period is still happening, but I'm not hearing the warmth that I'm looking for. Sure, it will get better with more break-in, but I want something to knock my socks off right out of the gate.

Thoughts? Where should I go from here?
128x128martinman
IMO you need a used REGA RP3. You can then slap all kinds of cool upgrades on it(groovetracer.com). AND it will except a few AMAZING cartridges.I highly recommend the Dynavector 10x5 with the RB301 Tonearm.This is a match made in heaven. The music is all there and correct, the bass is deep and tight.the Highs are not chopped or rolled off they are effortless and the mid is liquid rich and smooth. The whole musical event is presented with authority. You wont find a better Combo then this for the $$.
BTW Martin, If your into Tone...Consider a Tube preamp from MODWRIGHT the SWL 9.0SE to be exact. Sells for 1500 used. It is an amazing toneally beautiful sounding unit.One of the best buys in preamps out there. A real sleeper.
Also , All those 200 $ phono preamps SUC! buy a Musical surroundings for 300 used or 600 new its worth it!!
Thanks for the suggestions so far everyone.

Yah, I didn't think the entry level stuff would cut it given what I'm after. Mattmiller -- agree on the $200 preamps -- tube all the way. Also appreciate the Rp3 suggestion. Seems like the next step up is where I should start looking. BTW, do you use your setup for home theater as well? I thought I read you were all analog, but I took a look at your system and I see the big tv :). The other gear I spoke of was a Pioneer 1120k and Orb Audio which is almost 100% dedicated to home theater. I was surprised (in a good way) with the way the 1.3 and 651p sounded through an analog source.

I'm going to audition the Rp3 this week at a local shop. They are also a LINN dealer too. We'll see what happens. LINN hasn't been on the radar for a turntable. I'll have to do some research. Although, it seems way out of the ballpark price wise (the guy I spoke with said they are 4x the RP1). To me, this translated to "too much to spend out of the gate", but we'll see.