Turntable suggestion -- budget.. or not?


Not another budget turntable thread, you might sigh... Heh. Well, I promise to make it interesting. A bit about myself first before I get into the main reason for the thread:

I am a musician and fully embrace tube technology and the general 'tone quest' that goes along with (in particular) guitar playing. I've built most of my amp gear -- circuit copies from the late 50s/early 60s. Some of the same characteristics that I seek in guitar tone, i'd like to also have in my listening setup -- warmth. I'm already familiar with the adjectives that get thrown around when describing tone. So, no need to hold back.

So, I'd like see what all the fuss is about... Vinyl appeals to me purely from the sound quality aspect. I have an extensive cd stash, and very little vinyl (this will change if the 'proof' is there).

I'm currently demoing a Pro-Ject 1.3 TT at home right now with a Cambridge 651p into a solid state power amp and out to speakers. The later two pieces gear likely won't change. However, going forward (and if the quality is there) I will build gear to surround my TT setup.

The 1.3 is nice, but the motor on the side is a bit gimmicky IMO. I can hear the hum from the motor (and I *do* have it on a good base). It definitely looks the best! The 651p sounds a bit bright to my ears too. Despite this, I'm quite impressed with what I hear from vinyl. I've been playing alot of recordings I know very well (Miles "kind of blue", and some wes montgomery) and in general things sound not only different but *better*!

Now to the questions. I'm leaning on sending both the 1.3 and 651p back for the reasons I mentioned above. I've had about 6-8 hours of continuous playback and I realize the break-in period is still happening, but I'm not hearing the warmth that I'm looking for. Sure, it will get better with more break-in, but I want something to knock my socks off right out of the gate.

Thoughts? Where should I go from here?
128x128martinman
Used Denon 47F should satisfy your needs. Don't buy of these unless you can pick it up, otherwise you will be wasting your money.
To answer some questions, the cartridge in the 1.3 is a Sumiko Pearl Phono Cartridge.

TW ACUSTIC? The raven one is $6500 -- prolly not :)

I'm not quit sure on the budget yet. At first, I was looking at entry level tables, so ~$500. After the comments, I think I might bump to at most $1k. But even this is a stretch.
I pretty much started where you did albeit with a slightly higher end Project table with carbon arm...same Pearl cartridge,etc...and although this set up would be an upgrade to your current one...it is not the quantum leap it sounds like you want to make...note: the Project required a dedicated stand/wall mount to operate at its full potential...I decided to go in a more practical direction with a Technics DD...12xx series easily in your budget if you are patient...not a true audiophile table...but for reliability, build quality, and sonics, pretty hard to beat for the price...there are also plenty of mods, upgrades,etc...and they also hold their value on the used market....good luck....