Turnable database with TimeLine

Alas Banquo......'tis true....
The TT-101 began to develop speed inconsistencies.....to such an extent that 33.33rpm became 35.78 and then 42.21......
45rpm did the same thing......
Tomorrow I take it to my Tech who is really excited having seen my photos of the innards.....
Of course he has never worked on one of these monsters.....but armed with my full manual of circuit diagrams etc from Vinyl Engine......I may get lucky?
If it happens.....I'll have him change all the capacitors as I was waiting for just such an occurrence to afford me the excuse.
It may be that 35 years is the life expectancy of the TT-101......and it's complexity may sound its deathnell?
Meanwhile....luckily....the much simpler TT-81 is standing in its place.....and sounding maybe even better than its big brother?
I will keep you updated......

Dear Dover, From my perch, I view the dynamic as follows: Halcro is perhaps guilty of trying to "prove" empirically the superiority of his TT101 (and maybe now the TT81), while you seem to be trying to prove the superiority of belt-drive, at least as represented by your Final Audio Parthenon (which may be one of the best of that breed). (Your puncture wound of Halcro's logic re the Raven is perhaps valid, by the way.) Your both entitled to your opinions, and both opinions are equally valid, IMO. I guess I side with you, however, on the subjectivist side; I will check the speed stability of any tt with the KAB strobe device. If speed is stable with LP in play, that's good enough speed stability for me. Then comes listening, and listening trumps other considerations.

As to your preference for the FAP vs the L07D and MK3, have you heard both of the latter in your current system with same tonearms and cartridges, so as to validate your opinion? If not (and I think not, given that the L07D has its own tonearm, for one example), then your opinion of the relative merits is just your opinion. Which is fine.

Direct drive is not the only drive system that uses speed correction. Micro Seiki belt drive turntables and some others use speed correction on their motor if not the platter. Either way, it's still servo. Is that always a bad thing?

I don't think one drive system is superior over the others. I just happen to prefer DD for its mechanical (if not electronic) simplicity. The stylus does NOT know nor care what is making the platter spinning smoothly, precisely, and/or consistently. It's just picking up groove informations between rotations. Either way, let you ear decide.

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But when the Micro is auto-correcting, it is doing so via a mechanical system that has lots more compliance built into it (the belt) compared to any direct-drive system. Thus there is more danger that the corrective action will lag behind the moment of the occurrence of the speed inaccuracy, leading to over-correction, and thus actually contributing to the problem, rather than to ameliorate it. I don't know that this is connected to the fact that others who revere MS tt's have remarked that they do not use the OEM MS motor, preferring other motors instead.

Syntax, I agree with your last post and do see the seeming contradiction in Halcro's comments. Having a large BD turntable which has a slight speed error which I can not hear, but which is evident with the TimeLine, I guess puts me in the subjectivist camp also. That's fine and I'm happy to be here.

The KAB does show accurate speed for my turntable, but I actually found the TimeLine to be easier and quicker to use. Not a big deal, but I do check speed about once a month, as the belts do stretch.

I am interested in Halcro's response to my my latter point about some turntable functions being of near-equal importance to speed accuracy.

Like so many threads, this one has evolved into a discussion rather than just a database of videos which for which I had hoped.