Phono preamp or cartridge - which to upgrae first


Hello,

I am currently considering upgrading my analog system and would appreciat your advice on what my next move should be.

My front-end system currently consists of
Galibier Gavia, Triplanar arm and Dyna 17D3 cartridge which runs through a Modwright 9.0 SWLP preamp w. phono stage. Music is mainly rock, jazz, blues - very little classical music.
I am quite happy with my set-up but am interested to improve it to get more detail and spatial information as well as maybe a tad warmer, more emotionally involving sound (I believe the Modwright can sound a bit solid-statish at times). I like dynamic, transparent sound with good wxtension to both frequency extremes, but not strident; tonally neutral but if necessary erring a bit to the warm side than analytical.

Initally I was thinking of getting a better cartridge but am hesitatant because I am not sure how much of its qualities I will be able to hear through the Modwright. Maybe it is a better idea to get a really good phonostage first as a system anchor? If so, my preference would be to combine phonostage and preamp into one box (maybe with seperate power supply) rather than seperate components to save money and space (such as a Coincident phonostage?).

Any advice on how to proceed and specific suggestions is greaty welcome.

Gemini
gemini05
So basically you have a very good analog setup and you want to transition it into greatness. And you've already honed in on targeting a new Phono Stage or
Cartridge, which in my experience are easily the 2 most important components in the analog chain (over TT, tonearm, SUT, and cables). It's tricky to prescribe
which to do first, and in the end of course you'll do both!

If it were me I'd probably do cartridge first, which is akin to choosing speakers before amp (though to be fair, phono stage can and does influence the sound
more than amp). I had a friend in a similar situation with that 17D3/Scoutmaster and a phono stage no better than your Modwright built-in (if not lower in the
food chain). He liked the 17D3 but never loved it, and eventually landed an Ortofon Jubilee which he liked waaaay better (same phono stage). So you can
definitely have success down that path. Also I've personally had satisfaction upgrading my cartridge beyond the pay grade of my phono. Though as a result,
phono stage is still the bottleneck in my current system (what I'm using is a tradeoff: "so there" in midrange, treble and imaging, but "not quite there" in bass
and macro-dynamics).

Upgrading to a higher-end preamp with built-in phono is also a reasonable approach to consider. I had a VAC Renaissance III with an incredible sounding MM
stage (there you'd want to go with a 3rd party SUT for MC though since $1K+ for the inexpensive Lundahls is a huge ripoff); I believe that you can in fact have
a fairly good built-in when it comes to phono stages.
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You will get improved performance from your existing cartridge with a good phono stage.

I just upgraded to a Herron VTPH-2 from a VTPH-1mc. The VTPH-1 is outstanding. The VTPH-2 is hands down, by far the very best phono stage I've ever heard.

I'd contact Keith Herron to see if you could arrange a home audition. Make up your own mind.
I agree with Bpoletti on this one, your Dyna is a good cartridge and in my experience, upgrading the phono stage to better amplify the dynamic swings this cart is capable of would be my first venture. The Herron or Manley stages would be excellent choices to go with.