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Can a tiny silver bowl affect music reproduction

I am speaking of the Ziplex one half inch wide silver bowls, but the same questions apply to the Synergistic Research ARTs.

About two weeks ago I had four audiophiles in my listening room. We were listening to the impact of the Tripoint Troy Signature. I was standing and noticed that one of the eleven Zilplexes in my room was laying flat on the three silver support rods on the wall. It was the one that is about midway down the left wall and about seven and a half feet off the floor. It is supposed to be at a 45º angle facing the wall. As unobtrusively as possible I stepped on a foot stool that I leave there as this is a common happening and carefully inclined the bowl into a proper condition. I then returned to where I was standing.

Someone asked what did I just do, and I stated the above. They all were in disbelief about how it could have such an effect. I told them that Zilplex had been at CES and at the RMAF about a year or two ago, I repeatedly did their demonstration of removing all eleven Zilplexes. Always those in the audience said exactly what my four friends had said.

Having stumbled onto these a couple of years ago, I said that the inventor and owner really didn't have an explanation for the effect that it was all a trial and error process, which, of course, had taken countless hours. Synergistic Research also has a comparable bowl device, which Ted Denny attributes to his hear Tibetan monks and their bowls. There are of course Tibetan bowls. Syn. Res. ARTs are bigger than the Zilplexes but neither is the size of typical Tibetan bowls.

Tibetan bowls, of course, resonate when struck or rubbed at the rim. SR ARTs ring when knocked together. Zilplex don't ring. I asked Zilplex about this and was told they ring but at a frequency we cannot hear. My question is why would ringing bowls located variously in a room, greatly improve the apparent size of the rooms and the realism of the reproduced music?

All I can say is that they do, and I have heard no real explanation.
tbg
bjesien
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One can understand how to set up systems extremely well. If that someone adds an esoteric product and sets it up even better, is it the product or the ability to understand room dynamics really well?

I've been in a few of these rooms and even helped tweak one of Ted's rooms. The bowls seem silly and he is a bit of a clown about setting them up, but in the end the room had a vast improvement. Extra hardware or masterful setup? I wasn't around when the tiny bowls were removed.

Anyone done the same?
tbg OP
5,263 posts
 
Geoffkait, it really is none of your business and you brashly jump to conclusions, but he is retired and makes them in his home because he is proud of how effective they are.

Bjesien, are you talking about the Syn. Res. Arts or the Zilplexes. I think both are the product of thinking they could work and spending many hours tinkering with them to get their effects right.
csontos
1,311 posts
 
If anything, they are probably just effective as a form of eq. Gearing the size to accommodate a certain freq. band and then focusing the reflection in particular directions stands to reason. I wonder how well they would work if they were damped to prevent them from resonating.
tbg OP
5,263 posts
 
Csonros, There are three types. One goes on the ceiling, Three go about 14" off the floor at the front or speaker end of the room. The remaining seven have thiner support wires. All use the same bowls and all but that on the ceiling is at a tilt angle of 45ºs toward the wall.

I see no way that there could be any direction to what come off the resonating. Of course having the bowls at a 45º angle means that their resonance is quite variable in frequency.

The Syn. Res. bowls are all level. There are some similarity to where both systems are located. The Syn. Res. bowls ring audibly but not the Zilplex. Both have no effect if placed on dampening cloth.
csontos
1,311 posts
 
My point is I don't think the bowls resonating makes a lick of difference. If anything it has to do with the re-direction of the waves reflected out of the bowls. Like a parabolic mic in reverse. Placement could still be critical.
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