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My PC Audio Question Journey

I finally took the step of getting an external DAC (Maverick D2) allowing me to stream iTunes from my computer via an Apple TV. So far, I have only used a PC, but purchased a Macbook Pro over the weekend that will become the primary computer in the near future.

My system is the following:
Computer with iTunes (Apple Lossless)
Apple TV
Maverick D2 DAC (tube and solid state outputs)
Yaqin MC-30L amplifier
Focal 836v speakers

As a baseline, I have been unable to tell a difference between the solid state DAC output and my Elite SACD player. I am also aware that the Apple TV streams 48 kHz instead of 44.1 kHz which, in theory, is weakness in the digital signal.

Overall, I'm satisfied with my current sound, but I could be convinced to upgrade the Apple TV to an Airport Express and also to use a parallel software that works with iTunes (as long as Airplay is still supported) if I was convinced that an objective improvement could be expected in my system.

There's several layers to the discussion so I thought I'd ask my questions one at a time in an effort to keep things focused.

TOPIC 1:
The goal when ripping a CD is to create a "bit perfect" digital copy on the hard drive. Should it be expected that using iTunes will achieve this goal? If not, is there an objective way to validate that another software performs this step better? Is the primary reason that most recommendations are to not use Apple Lossless vs. other lossless formats is because it is propriatary to Apple making it the most limiting format in the future?
mceljo
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kijanki
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Airport Express is connected by Wi-Fi and as such does not receive in real
time. Itunes/Airplay does not transmit PCM. Computer transmits ALAC data
in packets that are stored in AE in a buffer containing about few seconds of
music. Timing is added from internal AE clock (resulting in 258ps peak-
peak jitter) and S/Pdif PCM stream is created. In order to use format
different than ALAC computer would have to make on the fly conversion
that would not affect the sound since transmitted is data without any
timing.

read this discussion on APPLE support forum:

tstart=0>https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3339297?tstart=0
doggiehowser
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Interesting. Was not aware that they used Apple Lossless. Still the original file format isn't really relevant - they could even be MP3 as I said.

I still prefer to keep everything as AIFF in my library.
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kijanki
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That's the beauty of the network bridge - computer, playback program etc make no difference since no timing is involved. PCM stream like S/Pdif coming directly from computer to DAC can be affected since computer creates timing.

Timing on the DAC side is recreated with new clock. AE is a little jittery and limitted to 16/44.1 but there are better choices. Logitech stopped making Squeezebox Touch but Sonos makes Wi-Fi Bridge.
doggiehowser
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The thing is that there is still inherent jitter in the devices, especially if you use a SPDIF connection again from the Sonos/Touch to a better quality DAC.

I can see the appeal of devices like the Sony HAP Z1ES, the Lumin network player and the PS Audio DS/PW DAC with the network bridge.
mwheelerk
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I would use XLD for the reasons stated and because it is still an active and evolving software with updates (though infrequent) and MAX to the best of my knowledge has had no updates in several years.
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