Tube Characterization: 6DJ8, 6922, 7308, CCa, etc


Does anyone agree with me that there should be detailed descriptions of the sonic characteristics of each of the popular versions of each of the above tubes. I've read Joe's Tube Lore and a number of manufacturers web-sites which are great general direction guides but they really don't tell us what we need to know in specific and defined terms. Perhaps starting with an overall sonic characteristic like liquid, or warm, or dry or transparent then their response at the frequency extremes (since this is always an issue with tubes), then perhaps individual characteristis with say female voice, piano etc. and then imaging. We would all purchase a set of cheap base line tubes that are known for consistancy and have clearly defined caharacteristics so that comparisons could be made to this benchmark. Then use benchmark recordings. Even better if we had the same equipment best yet if we benchmarked every component in the chain but not necessary because we would be dealing in relatve values.

Of course there is the question of synergy with existing equipment and the fact that we all don't hear exactly the same and so on and so forth, but again, it would all be relative. "Tube "A" has has better defined bass than the benchmark by a factor of 3 on a scale of 1-10 IMO" for instance. Of course this wouldn't be an exact science but it would give us real direction and be more useful than "this is a really great tube or this is a really, really great tube" or slavishly depending on the opinion of the tube specialty store who may be as honest as the day is long but does have to move what he has in stock. If we can bring this evaluation process closer to science we could spend less time playing this silly expensive guessing games and spend more time exploring the kind of sound we like and buying the kind of sound we want (not to mention, listening to more music) Thoughts?
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08-01-06: Mrtennis
"this question can only be answered in the context of a particular tube circuit".
08-01-06: Rchau
"You can change the sound of tube by just changing the operating point (plate voltage, load ressistors, heater voltage,...). Also, the sound in different topologies(anode follower, cathode follower, cascade, mu follower, etc..) vary with the same tube".

This is the first issue that needs to be addressed: Can anyone offer confirmation that using the same tube (control) in a number of different preamps radically changes the latent sonic characteristics of that tube or will there remain a distinct signature? It seems to me that a designer creates a tube amp or preamp not because of the electrical characteristics of tubes(you can accomplish that with solid state devices) but rather for some sonic quality inherent with tubes. A tube isn't just another circuit in a device it is "the" circuit in the device and engineers design the ancillary circuits in support of this all important part. I know that I'm out of my depth here but this idea would seem to be supported by Mick Maloney of Supratek and my guess is most other design engineers as well. If indeed your tube component is virtually immune to tube rolling, then it's a moot point. If on the other hand, your sound changes considerably with changes in tubes then you are the most likely candidate for this study.

How, in one breath, can one laud the accomplishment of Joe's Tube Lore and in the next breath invalidate the concept? Let's face it, this classic post has probably generated more tube interest and more tube sales since its release than any other single contribution. Personally, and based on my limited testing of 4 sets of tubes, I have found his objective observations to be spot on and his equipment doesn't even resemble mine. That's why my reaction was, 'hey let's run with this'.

I think Albert Porter is the most generous and one of the most knowlegeable persons in this hobby. I'm hoping that just because his post was in opposition to mine that we're not creating camps. I'd guess that upon the additional information and further reflection, he would incline more towards the "okay if we want to do it, this is what we would have to do" side and this is what I would like to encourage. I'd be very interested to know the vernacular Albert uses in his listening sessions with his friends of invite anyone to recommend such a language, perhaps something used by their favorite reviewer. This could be the Audiogon standard. We can also use existing reviews as a launch point.

You either believe that tubes make a difference or you don't. If they do make a difference, then shouldn't we seek to objectively evaluate and bring closer to science our selection process. than exists currently. Perfect? hardly. Science? sorta. Vauluable? invaluable!
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I have over 100 hundred pairs of this series of tubes. In the past year I've listened to plenty but not all. One problem you'll find is that most take days to have their signature sound settle.

Regardless, I'd be willing to participate in this experment and am "all for it".