How do tube Watts compare to SS Watts?


I have Theil 2.2 speakers, which have a low sensitivity (86dB), but I would like to get an intergrated tube amp. Or even all tube. But I don't know how many tube Watts I'll need to drive the Theils. My guesstimate is @ 50wpc for intergrated tube amps, but that could be wildly off. Are their mathematical conversion formulas? Second, if there is a rough range, might you be kind enough to suggest a few worthy candidates that, wheather new or pre-listened, are under $1,000 USD (e.g., Cayin model xxx). Thank you most kindly.
rascal52240
Your real question should be "Can I drive my Theil 2.2's with a modest sized tube amp?"

There is a great deal of interaction between an amp and a speaker. A speaker with minimal impedence drooping to or below 4 ohms are not good candidates for anything much less than a high power tube amp. A speaker with an impedence curve that has big swings (as opposed to being relatively flat) may not be good with most any tube amp.

But apart from that, assuming that your speakers are any easy load with an 86db efficiency I'd want at least 80 watts with tubes and 100 to 200 with most SS unless they were really high current amps.

Watts are watts. Tubes sound better than SS when they clip and its more subtractive. SS just sounds crappy when they clip.
The size of the room factors into it as well as the impedence curves that Newbee mentions. Looking at the Stereophile measurements, the impedence curve of your 2.2's is relatively flat, but a lowish 4 ohm load (3.5 min, 5.2 ohm max).
I would think that you may get by with a 50-100 wpc tube amp in a smaller room.
Overall though, I think you would be better served with a tube preamp and a SS amp, or a SS integrated amp.

Watts are watts, and I second Newbee's comment that tube amps will clip more gracefully.
I have used a pair of Wright Sound WPA 3.5 single-ended triodes with Thiel 3.6's. That's a whopping 4 watts into a 6 ohm, 86 db per 2.83V/m speaker. While it doesn't do justice to orchestral, opera or rock, it certainly played loud enough in a 27 X 16 room with classical (chamber, solo, instrumental and voice) and jazz.

Your mileage may vary depending on your room, what your sources do and what you consider adequate playback volume.
The amplifier power will also depend on the room size, and your listning position distance from the speakers.

I use a PrimaLuna Prologue 2 ( 45 Watts KT-88 Valve Integrated, close to US $ 1K ).

Speakers are Sonus Fabor Extremas. Same sensitivity as your speakers.

Room size is approx 30 feet x 15 feet x 12 feet height.

Speakers & listning position is accross the width ( 15 feet ) of the room, not the length.

My listning position is approx 10 feet from the speakers.

I get good volume ( my gusstimate is 103 dB ) before the the amp runs out of steam.

I would HIGHLY recommend the PrimaLuna Prologue-2 if you listen to Rock and Jazz. The Prologue 1 with EL-34 valves is probably better for classical.

Hope this helps.

Cheers