Lightspeed Attenuator - Best Preamp Ever?


The question is a bit rhetorical. No preamp is the best ever, and much depends on system context. I am starting this thread beacuase there is a lot of info on this preamp in a Music First Audio Passive...thread, an Slagle AVC Modules...thread and wanted to be sure that information on this amazing product did not get lost in those threads.

I suspect that many folks may give this preamp a try at $450, direct from Australia, so I thought it would be good for current owners and future owners to have a place to describe their experience with this preamp.

It is a passive preamp that uses light LEDs, rather than mechanical contacts, to alter resistance and thereby attenuation of the source signal. It has been extremely hot in the DIY community, since the maker of this preamp provided gernerously provided information on how to make one. The trick is that while there are few parts, getting it done right, the matching of the parts is time consuming and tricky, and to boot, most of use would solder our fingers together if we tried. At $450, don't bother. It is cased in a small chassis that is fully shielded alloy, it gets it's RF sink earth via the interconnects. Vibration doesn't come into it as there is nothing to get vibrated as it's passive, even the active led's are immune as they are gas element, no filaments. The feet I attach are soft silicon/sorbethane compound anyway just in case.

This is not audio jewelry with bling, but solidly made and there is little room (if any) for audionervosa or tweaking.

So is this the best preamp ever? It might be if you have a single source (though you could use a switch box), your source is 2v or higher, your IC from pre-amp to amp is less than 2m to keep capaitance low, your amp is 5kohm input or higher (most any tube amp), and your amp is relatively sensitive (1v input sensitivity or lower v would be just right). In other words, within a passive friendly system (you do have to give this some thought), this is the finest passive preamp I have ever heard, and I have has many ranging form resistor-based to TVCs and AVCs.

In my system, with my equipment, I think it is the best I have heard passive or active, but I lean towards prefering preamp neutrality and transparency, without loosing musicality, dynamics, or the handling of low bass and highs.

If you own one, what are your impressions versus anything you have heard?

Is it the best ever? I suspect for some it may be, and to say that for a $450 product makes it stupidgood.
pubul57
Pubul57, there are 4 functions of a line stage:

1) add any needed gain- not all sources are able to drive an amplifier to full output.

2) provide for input and volume control- this function is shared by most passive and TVC systems.

3) buffer the volume control from the output- this prevents the load from interacting with the volume control setting, and prevents the control from exercising a tonality.

4) control the interconnect cable- which is done by having a low output impedance which swamps (makes negligible) the capacitive, inductive, resistive and other aspects of the cable.

Of these four, the latter is least understood, even by the industry that makes active line stages. This issue though is so profound that it is arguably the most important beyond actual volume control.

Its been my experience that if the line section controls the interconnect cable, then it has a good chance of outperforming a passive control or TVC. The reason is that the interconnect cable will cease to be an important part of the system sound. I'm pretty sure just about anyone who has set up a system using single-ended cables is aware of how much difference the cables themselves can make.

With any passive volume control, the cables are paramount and must be kept short for best performance. OTOH if the line stage is designed properly then you can run cables of nearly any length and the difference between the most expensive and the least expensive will be hard to hear. This latter fact is one that most cable manufacturers would rather you not know.

IOW if you can hear differences in the cable between the line section/passive and the power amp, then the cable is not being controlled.

A barrier to performance in many preamps, particularly tube preamps, is the output coupling capacitor. It must be made large enough so that phase shift is not evident in the lower frequencies (no loss of bass, IOW) and it has to do this with a transistor amplifier since the manufacturer has no way of knowing what amp the preamp will be connected to. Since transistor amps have a lower input impedance (usually 1/10th that of tube amps) this forces the output coupling cap to be a rather large value.

There is no way you can make large coupling caps sound right- they introduce coloration out of inductance and other well-known artifacts of larger capacitors. IMO, direct-coupling is the way to go. This allows you to bypass a primary concern of most tube preamps. Once this is done, the circuit has only to be merely competent and it will outperform any passive or TVC made.

It comes as no surprise to me that passives and TVCs are as popular as they are. What this tells me is how poorly active line stages are at the functions I outlined above. But just because *some* are bad at it, does not mean that *all* are.
A good argument for getting a preamp and amp from the same manufacturer that knows what they are doing and optimized to work together.
Simply on the issue of gain (not impedance matchin and IC ocntrol)It seems two pretty good designers, Roger Modjeski and Nelson Pass, have said that having gain in a linestage will not make things better when a source component has adequate voltage (Roger more vehment that it will make things worse), and I can't imagine it can do any good to have the signal go "through all that" when it isn't necessary - like a transformer in a tube amp. Whatever the theories, my LSA/RM10 and MP3/M60s sound fantastic, the M60s being the best amps I have heard with my OTL friendly speakers.
4) control the interconnect cable- which is done by having a low output impedance which swamps (makes negligible) the capacitive, inductive, resistive and other aspects of the cable.

What would be a low output impedance (and how would the base measurement be determined, ex. at 1k ohms)? How would one design a preamp to achieve this? I can think of those active preamps and even zero gain designs that use active buffers. Perhaps using negative feedback? Of course if you're designing a true balanced preamp having it support the 600 ohm standard would be the best way to ensure the cable is removed from the equation, assuming the amp on the other end is of the same design.

Also, I don't believe my DAC uses coupling caps, but how would I know how to determine that for sure. What would I be looking for in the circuit?
01-14-11: Pubul57
George, does that mean that with some sources, Ralphs argument is correct due to the coupling caps? Pubul57

Yes, as I pointed out in my last post, but I will say that the said caps are usually big enough, not create any problem, except colourations, it's the moded one's that have had their caps and output stages modded that have to be sometimes questioned, are they large enough?

And Ralph's answer to your line stage question is answered with diplomacy, looks like he has the same view on coupling caps, (the best cap is no cap), Except still I do not believe anyone has yet built the transparent active preamp, as they all sound so different, more so I believe than the sound of different interconnects.
Cheers George