Jadis amplifiers: rolled off treble?


Hi folks (and Jadis aficionados out there), tell me the truth please: do Jadis amplifiers have rolled off treble? Each time I'm listening to one I have this impression. The sound might be glorious (like all Jadis) but... doesn't it sound darker than in real life? Because of this presumed rolled off treble some CD's sound better and overall music sound more pleasant, more like... Jadis.

Chris
dazzdax
Previously owned Ja30´s and se300b and listened ja-80´s and ja-200´s.
IMHO all the Jadis with pentodes sounds rolled off on the top in comparison with the triode based ones.
In a direct comparison between a ja-80 and a cary AE805 the highs of the jadis appeared anemic .
On the other hand the jadis sound is outstanding and no matter the roll of is real or not , just listen and enjoy it.
I owned Jadis JA-80s for many years. Yes, I beleieve that they rolled off in the highs a little (this was the old, 1990 version, and I used Philips 6550s and Gold Lion KT 88s in them with Telefunken phase splitter and driver tubes), but I didn't care at all, as they got the midrange right and I believe most recordings to be a bit brighter than what I hear in the concert hall anyway, probably due to what Mr Tennis points out. I agree with the poster above about the 500s (even without the Da Hong mods, though they certainly do get rid of the classic tube sound), they were a different animal from the lower powered JA monoblock series; and Joe (Trelja) is quite familar with the sound of the newer models and you can count on his observations to be accurate.

In general, I would say that you don't buy a Jadis piece of equipment for aural thrills or necessarily to accurately reproduce everything that it is fed, you buy it because of the musical enjoyment it brings you. There are many pieces of equipment out there that will outperform it from a technical standpoint, but there are few that can match it from the standpoint of conveying the music (especially classical and acoustic music).
I have a friend who owned a pair of Jadis JA-80s in 1990's. He was an unsurpassed tube and circuit expert who found what he believed to be four engineering errors in the 80's that he corrected. The resulting sound was so impacting I continue to recall its beauty many years removed.