Will new Class D trump a vintage Class A/AB?


After 6 years on a shelf, I finally got a 1986 VSP Labs TransMOS 150 power amp fixed. Back in its heydey, the Gold Edition of this amp was one of J. Gordon Holt's favorite amps for neturality and musicality. It's fairly heavily biased into Class A, as the VSPs run on the warm side. They weigh a ton--50-60 lbs depending on whether you have the 150wpc or 200wpc version. They are stable all the way down to 0 ohms, have a really high damping factor, and have deep, extended, tightly controlled bass. It's one of the first MOSFET transconductance amps--it's a solid state implementation of tube amp topology. I remember it being fairly fast, but especially liquid.

Now, I haven't heard a VSP in years (even though I have 4 of 'em--most needed recaps or something).

Anyway, in a fit of impulse-buying, I ordered an Onkyo A-9555 class D integrated amp, which has been enthusiastically reviewed and recommended by both Absolute Sound and Stereophile.

So whaddaya all think? Has amplifier development come far enough in the past 22 years that a high quality MIJ class D integrated could give a handmade boutique old school AB amp from the '80s a run for the money? I know I'll find out in a couple of weeks, but which way do you think it'll go?
johnnyb53
I think the result will come down to taste and preference more than anything else.

Isn't the thing still humming though?

The Onkyo Class D was a very savvy choice for trying to improve at reasonable cost though. In that the Mirages are larger floor standers and rated 6 ohm I believe ( a somewhat more difficult than average load to drive I would suspect), I think there is a very good chance the Onkyo will work out. The main difference I would predict would be in the low end in terms of perhaps providing a fuller and tight bottom end that adds meat to the sound and helps balance things out.

LEt us know.

Cheers!
Johnnyb53 - It is difficult to compare different amps without setting price range and even then it migh be not easy. Compare 2x200W class A design to my Rowland 102 (class D) I paid $1500 for. There is no such class A amps for $1500. Class D beats many class AB designs within the same price range.

I picked Rowland since it was $100 cheaper than Bel Canto S300 and had Rowland's reputation behind (no bad product in 20 years). I don't think Onkyo was available then.

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08-27-08: Mapman
I think the result will come down to taste and preference more than anything else.

Isn't the thing still humming though?
It's the VSP Labs TransMOS 150 that hums and it's back in the shop for them to fix it right for the $144 I paid them. The Amber Series 70 currently in my analog rig does not hum. The VSP is rated at 150/300 wpc into 8/4 ohms. Rather high class A bias and very high current. Amber has a single pair of output transistors per side and is rated at 70 wpc into 8 ohms. Don't know its 4 ohm rating.

The Onkyo is similar to the Amber in power--85/170 wpc into 8/4 ohms. Rather low damping factor (25), but I wonder if that isn't just one of those bugaboos when using conventional test methods on class D amps. Plus, I don't know that the Mirage's little 5.5" woofers will need a really high damping factor.

What I'm looking to get in the Onkyo is clarity, speed, and transparency beyond what was attainable in 1986, but without sacrificing musicality, coherence, harmonic rightness.

It's scheduled for delivery Tues. Sept. 2. We shall see.
I agree about the prowess of the Amber 70. I have been using one against a worthy Muse 100 amp and the Amber has so much more character and depth- great soundstage- seemed to have trouble pushing an old Fried Beta set with Sub, but seems ok with my DQ-8's which are demanding- does well with my Spica TC-50's...always wondered what they sound like in Mono pairs-just one old review claimed they were too bright in that config..hmm, that's my 2 cents
Ostemo8's post reminded me that I hadn't updated this thread. A lot has
happened since I put my TransMos 150 back in the shop. Turns out there was
a broken ground wire inside, causing the hum.

When I got the TransMos back, it was everything I'd remembered it for
originally. It has an endearing sweetness to it, but also fullness and depth. As
good as the Amber 70 is (and they made many versions--Ostemo8's may be
a later, better edition), the VSP TransMos simply outclassed it in every way--
speed, dynamics, depth, bass clarity and extension, soundstage width, depth,
and delineation, and especially, compelling musical involvement. I can't count
the number of times it called me from other rooms to sit in the sweet spot
and listen hard and bask in its all-encompassing goodness.

BUT, I knew that 3 or 4 days after I got the VSP back I'd be taking delivery on
the Onkyo A-9555 Integrated amp.

So back to the original thread premise: Can a mass-produced Japanese class
D integrated amp trump a best-of-class high current boutique amp from the
'80s.

There are two answers: Yes, and HELL, YES!

I heard hints and even broad swaths of the greatness to come from the A-
9555 as it took its 100 hours to break in, but during that time, it had a glare
and edge that had me longing for the VSP. Still, I stuck to my guns and
played this amp in 24/7, alternating between an iPod and FM when I wasn't
spinning vinyl or 5 CDs at a time on a Sony changer.

But once I got it broken in, Hoo-BOY! This amp has introduced a new
paradigm into my home audio. It represents a quantum leap in clarity, speed,
extension, inner detail, bass clarity and detail, separation, stage width,
transient response, low level detail over the VSP, which had it over the Amber.

In fact, the Onkyo outdistances the VSP more than the VSP betters the Amber.
With about 60-70 hours on the Onkyo, I decided I needed a little respite from
the edge and glare of the break-in period. I switched the well-seasoned VSP
back into the chain, and although it was sweeter and smoother (for the time
being), I immediately noticed a big drop in resolution. At that point I couldn't
switch the Onkyo back in fast enough; I wanted to hear all that music I had
missing. At that point coincidentally the Onkyo passed its break-in threshold
and the glare disappeared, the music relaxed, and so did I. I noticed my
shoulders drop into a relaxed position and I started enjoying all the music
this amp was throwing at me.

I'm not saying the Onkyo is the equal of an Ayre or Rowland, but I will say it
reminds me more of those amps than anything else I've ever heard. It has a
lot of what is associated with a very high end amp in that it manages to be
very resolving and detailed, with an unusually low noise floor, the nuance and
subtle microdetails and smooth liquidity associated with a tube amp, along
with the fast transients, speed, clarity, bass grip, and extension at both ends
that is associated with very good solid state.

Once it breaks in, you'd never guess that it ever had a period when it
sounded edgy. It is now the most relaxed, yet properly detailed amp I've ever
had in my house. I call it "properly detailed" in the sense that it
has all that detail in correct perspective--it doesn't have exaggerated detail
or hit you over the head with it. It is quite lifelike.

I find it is as--or more--detailed than amps from Rega, Cambridge, and
Music Fidelity, and yet I prefer its musical presentation and tonal balance over
any and all of those Brit integrateds, including the 250 wpc Musical Fidelity.

As a line stage, the preamp section is easily worth the street price of the
entire amp. Unfortunately, it doesn't have line outputs, but this amp is so
good and self-sufficient I can forgive that. Like the PS Audio amps, this
Onkyo employs a variable gain stage, which keeps the clarity, transparency,
and frequency response pretty uniform at most volume settings.

The built-in phono stage is also pretty good, but the Cambridge Audio 640P
phono stage is more commensurate with the quality of the rest of the A-
9555, and is a great-sounding, sympatico match with it.

I am now done with vintage amps. As I write this I have 7 components (amps,
preamps, DAC, etc.) on consignment. I'm done with them (though I'm keeping
my newly repaired VSP for the time being). Compared to this Onkyo, even
classic or even legendary vintage amps and preamps in the same price range
can't save me any money ($450 for a great line stage AND 100/200 wpc
amp? C'mon!), and any used amps in this price range can't TOUCH the Onkyo
in any subjectively evaluated performance aspect.