Elrog 300B vs Takatsuki 300B tubes


Has anyone heard the Elrog 300B tubes ? I read an article which mentioned that the Elrog 300B delivers 15% less power than a traditional 300B tubes. Can anyone confirm that it is audible ?

I am choosing between Elrog and Takatsuki 300B tubes. I would prefer the Elrog because it is cheaper and supposedly wonderful but if it really sounds less powerful then I have to rethink.
pani
Hi Charles,
Hope all is well .
Its been a while since I visited the Audiogon forums and am slowly getting up to speed.
Like you,my goals in any improvement or evolution of my already very satisfying system is always the "organic factor" over anything else.
Sooooo...It looks like I have to get the Elrog 300B tubes!!
In combination with Mullard GZ37 rectifier tubes, whose impact on sound quality improvement were huge,the Elrogs should really make the Franks sing .
I'm hooked and I cant wait to get a pair.
I know we share similar values and choices on our hardware selection based on our "sonic morals" so I respect your evaluation and know I will be in for a real treat.
Thanks for doing the leg work and investigations for me and the other worshipers!
Regards,
David
Hi Drdavid,
I won't go so far as say you'll worship the Elrog tubes but you'll find them very special. You know the impact of the Psvane 101D in the CSL. Well you can expect similar results with the Elrog ER 300b in your amplifier. An unquestionable improvement in the direction of natural and increased realistic sound. Let us know your listening impressions once you have the time to post.
Charles,
Hi Charles,
What I meant about worshiping was that we (I include myself and other SET devotees)respect your opinion and seem to have similar audio values. And therefore worship you LOL.
I still need to do a bit of research wrt pricing, living in Canada with a much lower dollar and much higher duties
But I definitely plan to get a pair and would be happy to share my experience.
Regards
David
David,
As far as respect is concerned the feeling is mutual toward you and other valued contributors on this thread.
Charles,
I've done a study on 300B tubes and continue too. Here's my 2 cents. I have 2 sources I totally trust. One has compared Elrogs, PSVANE T2, old Western Electric (one of the best production runs), and Takatsuki.
Elrog performed poorly there, to the degree that he thought they were not a good match to that particular amp. Indeed, Elrog is not a WE type tube, many say these and many other tubes that are called 300Bs shouldn't be called 300B's and a different name should be given with substitution advice and warning. I don't know what happened, since TJ and Sophia are also not your regular WE but they work fine and perform fine in that amp. Expectations from Elrogs were high, the result surprising and worrying.
The other source owns old WE's, new WE's (now sold, I bought them :), Elrog, and older white base Takatsuki. He prefers the old WE's and Takatsuki.
I do not own Elrog and I haven't heard it yet. I do own Takatsuki. I did try Sophia RP, TJ Special Edition and new WE's (several of them) among other 300Bs. My strong preference is Takatsuki.
My learning from the above: 1. Elrogs might not be universally good in all SETs or it could have been a one off faulty tube or mismatch 2. Some might prefer Takatsuki.
3. I am not putting my own money on Elrogs just yet, I need much more evidence.

FY, I have 4 SETs at the moment. Coincident Frankenstein MK2, Border Patrol SE 300B, Border Patrol S20 EXD, Coincident Dynamo SE34 just to try and do some tube rolling to see their potential.

Another interesting tube is TJ Full Music CNe recently launched. I only know one source who heard it, compared to PSVANE T2 and Takatsuki and TJ SE.