Holographic imaging


Hi folks, is the so called holographic imaging with many tube amplifiers an artifact? With solid state one only hears "holographic imaging" if that is in the recording, but with many tube amps you can hear it all the time. So solid state fails in this department? Or are those tube amps not telling the truth?

Chris
dazzdax
Mapman, omnis don't give holography but totally obscure where the music is coming from. There is no realism at all. If you make your definition of holography that you cannot find the location of the speakers, omnis are your choice. But certainly not the choice of those wanting realism of the recording venue or the sense of being there. You are right about Carver, however.
Tbg,

Read the definition of holography and then listen to a pair of Ohms and then we can discuss whether or not it is holographic.
Tvad,
I certainly belong to the first group you have mentioned and although I enjoy music from whatever source and rig, I am after "the absolute sound" with an ear trained on live music from early childhood on. Hence what many here would call "good sound" for me is far from it, if I would listen critically to gear and not just to the music. After having had a chance to hear how Carver cleverly does his sound-shaping I found it artificial and euphonic, wouldn't have it. I'd probably have the same reaction with the H-Cat, because for me, these attempts destroy that what is real in spacial information in a good recording, where you can recognize the hall, with their induced artefacts. I don't like that, because I want go get as close to the real thing as possible. So if I am familiar with a hall, know how music sounds there from my favorite seat and I have recordings from the self same hall, am able to hear how the sound is reflected from the walls, can hear the side reflections and the back of the hall in the recording as the music spreads out in my room, there is indeed a sense of what one might call holography, because you can sense the body of the orchestra within the hall, can, if the score permits, even identify say the first violin, cello etc. If there is a soloist playing with the orchestra, his or her instrument can have its own holographic image, even bloom in the sense of air as I have tried to describe it.
I have, in my career as an audiophile. tried to enhance this by artificial means, but found that it destroys the "gestalt" of the original recording. There are of course many ways that lead to Rome, to the enjoyment of music in our home and luckily we are all free to find our particular ways to aural happiness.
I think Tvad nailed it, there are two camps.

Mapman can go on and on about the advantages of whatever we're talking about, but he'll never convince those of us in Camp 1, me included, that what he's proposing is desired in our systems. Likewise, Camp 2 isn't going to like what I propose and it'll be found "lacking."

Dave
Tvad,

I'm probably more in the first camp in terms of how I set up my system, but the inherent flawed nature of many of the recorded musical performances that are my favorites forces me to be content in the second when needed. For example, I have no control over how many of the early Beatle's recordings in particular were produced. I have to accept the limitations of the sound because the music and performances are exceptional and make up for the lackluster sound.

I am happiest though with great music and performances that also happen to be well recorded so I can in fact practically exist in the first camp.

I am a music first guy. I will not not listen to something just because it sounds "recorded". I'd rather it sound more "lifelike" if it could, but it is what it is.