ICE Amps for classical music?


I listen to classical orchestral music at heavy volume. I detest reproduced music for always sounding more or less electronic and not acoustic. Real music is beautiful in a way reproduced music--so far at least-- never is. I have become curious about Wyred4sound amps because of low price and high watts. I am wondering if any of you "mostly classical" listeners have heard these amps and feel they do no more damage to music than amps which are NOT ICE amps. I am using a Plinius SA100 now and have used a VAC 100/100,
a Bedini Classic 100/100, a Music Reference RM-9, and other tube and solid state amps. They all had their pluses and minuses, of course, but for least electronic, clearly the Bedini was the winner. So what about ICE amps?
rpfef
Hi rpfef. I've owned the Wyred4Sound ST1000 for about three months. Most of that time it has been teamed with Usher Be718s & a REL sub. There is a single Mullard 6922 tube in the signal path (ARC SP9MkIII pre-amp). For classical music, above all other forms of music, I've found this combination brilliant.

The ST1000 has no glare, and retrieves immense amounts of detail. For older mono recordings it does wonders. For instance the Budapest Quartet's Library of Congress recordings of Beethoven's late quintets has sound from the 1940s - the added clarity, and the lack of harshness, help make the sound enjoyable. Likewise for solo piano - I recently acquired Solomon Cuttner's EMI box set, which has some discs remastered using their ART technology, and some transfers dating back to the early 1990s - the ST1000 makes things more believable through its transparency.

I can relate to your wish to recreate the beauty of live music. One of my favourite recordings is Andras Schiff's 1994 rendition of Schubert's last piano sonata. I can't think of a more beautiful piano performance, and, compared to to other hifi systems, I've found this one presents the music in the most intimate way. To be more specific: I've used the amp with Wilson CUBs, and the speakers with a Jadis Orchestra Reference (2 12AX7s, 4 KT88s); the pre-amp was previously used with an ARC D125 power amp (8 6550 tubes) - from what I can discern the ST1000 extracts the most information, and adds the least of its own emphasis. I would not describe its sound as "cool" at all - if anything it makes the bloom of massed violins more realistic through defining the sound; voices are similarly full and life-like - the finale of Mahler's 2nd, Berliners and Haitink, is stunning (this recording also showed up the advantage of limitless power, with no compression at all despite the huge dynamic range).

The Usher's amazing tweeter is a factor in my comments. The ST1000 with the Wilsons still delivers incredible detail, but the tweeter here is less smooth, and strings in particular are more "electronic". The difference becomes more apparent the longer the listening session.

While far from true "A/B" comparisons, I did audition many other amps - perhaps this is a (very rough) guide to my tastes, but as far as solid state goes I least liked Krell, and most preferred Gryphon; and generally ended up listening to valves - especially Jadis models. In fact possibly the best string sound I've heard came from a pair of Jadis JA30monos driving Sonus Faber Guarneri Mementos - with Jadis pre-amp this system came to Aus$50,000; the ST1000 plus Usher Be718s was 10% of this. And there was almost as much wood and rosin.

Hope this helps.
Robert.
Yes (assuming used with speakers that benefit form high power, high current SS amplification)!

The BEl Canto Ref1000 mkii delivers all the goods in my system even with power hungry larger OHM Walshes and I have yet to see it break a sweat, even with dynamic recordings at fairly high SPLs.
Mapman, I see you followed the testament of an Agoner from down under. Bezimienny succinctly described what I am hearing here. I love to crank up the sound when playing great recordings of solo piano. Tubes play a big part in my sound. There are four in my AN DAC.
"I listen to classical orchestral music at heavy volume. I detest reproduced music for always sounding more or less electronic and not acoustic "

So be careful with amplifiers based on switching power supplies. To the best of my knowledge - all except Jeff Rowlan 312 amp has peak voltage of about 50 volts.

One of the reason why you found delightful tube amplfiier sounding "thin" is that your speakers are extremely power hungry only 2nd to Shahinian Diapason in that respect. If you can get "ideal" amplifier and measure voltage at this amp outputs during orchestral creschenso - you will get not less then 150 - 200 volts peak voltage.

If you want class D amplifiers which can drive PROPERLY your speakers then you have to look Jeff Rowland - 312, Mark levinson - No53 and Spectron Musician III

If you like good tube sound then it must be Spectron amp. 1 - In monoblock mode it has peak voltage of 240 volts.
2 - One of the Spectron designer, Simon Thacher owned Diapason and voiced this amp specisfically for power hungry Shahinians.

Best Luck

Rafael