Tube Rolling - No Change in Sound


In my Wyetech Opal pre, I substituted NOS Ken Rad VT231's for JAN Philips WGTA's in the input stage, expecting more body and warmth to sound based on Ken Rad reputation. But nothing has happened; I perceive no audible difference from the switch in tubes! What's up with this? This was my first foray into tube rolling.

Neal
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I don't know if I agree, in my system amps have made the least difference, speakers the biggest difference by far - then source followed very closely by preamp and lastly amp.

I do agree without question the amp/speaker interface has to be optimal or close to it or you can throw everything out the window.
I am an inveterate tube roller and some circuits will not respond to tube changes.
I tried to cool off a highly modded ARC SP6B pre amp. It already had the reputatation of "legendary gain gone wild." You can't simply swap lower mu tubes to get a more viable midrange and travel on the volume pot. It takes 12AX7s x 6 and only Only 2 are in supposedly real meaningful gain positions.
Try as I might for example with top of the heap 5751s -some real low mu 12AU7s, those almost passed enough current to burn up my spoeaker's voice coils, the amp seemed to care less.
The only result was a change in tone with very, little if any perceptable change in gain
I know it is purely anectdotal and can't hold a candle to the concise asnalysis above. The technical answer is the cathode follower bleeds freely into a leak grid intended to dissipate and not redirect the amplified electron velocity. A very loose lowest impedance pull if you will on the the gain. The other tubes are phase splitters/inverters which have no gain function except as input tubes. That is a matter of keeping the input signal at a predertimined voltage. This is required for the rest of the pre to "hear" the signal.
Now I am going to roll some 6SN7s yes Rodmann even though I have many inluding 4 pairs of TS RPs and Ws tall and short metal bas or black. I also have a few Kentucky Radio , National Union including the gray and several black but today I think I will try TS WGTs - NIB pristine NOS. I am not sure what they will sound like a priori.
I had not seen that your power amp is a Krell. Indeed theb Ken Rad has a well deserved reputation for bass energy and bass energy. The JAN Phillips WGTA is a quick more transparent 6SN7 and tends to be fairly neutral to thin. I have come to the conclusion that your amp is simply overwhelming the sonic signature of your system. In essence the Krell is going to give you all the bass your speakers can make. No tube is warmer than a Ken Rad and it does not matter if it is a VT 231 a clear glass GT a black glass GT staggered or striaght plated they are either exactly the same tube or have the circuitry that maskes them sound identical. See TubeSeller's site it's a bit old but he and Len Ho agree that there is no real difference. Also check out the permanent 6SN7 thrtead on hed-fi.org
Thanks, Mechan. I don't really agree that the Krell is overwhelming my system, or that it is giving all the bass my speakers can handle. Prior to the Wyetech Opal, I had a Hovland HP 100 pre, which was very nice, but the Opal is a big step up and led to both an increase in the depth and tightness of bass. I have had similar results when swapping IC's, PC's. And as the KenRads burn in I am noticing (or at least think I am) a perceptible increase in what I would call the "naturalness" or body in the sound: vocals sound a bit more "real", instruments more true. But it is not a dramatic change from the Philips..

I may move the KenRads from the input to output stages and see if there is any difference.

Neal