I found it!!....after all the choices out there i have found the perfect el84 amp for me .I finally called Will Vincient and he sold me one of his personal amps,a triode wired dana st 35 that is only 1 out of 5 he ever made,what a great man to deal with and it arived today,got it up and running(dead silet on klipsch chorus 1's)musical as hell,beautiful workmanship,images like a champ and all that stereo babble,needless to say i will not be looking for another el 84 amp,,,,,,,,,,one very happy audio nut listening to some weather report...ahh music again,,,,,,thanks to all who helped me down this road,special thanks to Geraldm121...thanks brother.....