A major disconnect between the audiophile magazine


Greetings from London. There is in my view a major disconnect between the audiophile magazines and their readers. It’s an understandable one but in my view an important one – and that the focus of this thread-starter.

Although I’m a UK-based high-end retailer I am, curiously despite 34 years on and off still interested in music first and foremost and then the equipment that reproduces it. With my end-user hat on I have to say that in a lot of my vintage gear is certainly, performance-wise, up to the standard of a lot of modern equipment. It’s not all plain sailing of course and there is the tricky issue of value versus price. Let me explain.

Take the ARC SP-8 for example. Venerable, rightly revered and a bargain on the used market. Yes of course my ARC SP-10 and 11 are more musically credible. But in too many instances this is the exception rather than the rule. I’ve recently purchased a British Fidelity {Musical Fidelity outside the UK) P270 heavy-grunt power amp for $560 USD. 23 years old. Is the latest MF power amp of a similar specification noticeably AND significantly superior? Somehow, I doubt it. Different, certainly. But more musically credible? Hmm, somehow I doubt it. But I could be wrong. Very wrong in fact. So other than through substantial investment with the probability of selling one of the two units at some financial loss, how am I to know?

Now where do the magazines come into all this you might ask? Well let’s assume (naïve though it might be) that their primary reason for existence is to serve to needs of the reader. If so, then surely a side-by-side comparison of the two Musical Fidelity power amps (used purely for illustrative purposes in this post) is as valid as the mooted ARC SP8 versus SP10 comparison.

Clearly no advertiser of new equipment in an audiophile magazine would countenance this if they knew that the much touted new model really at best only sounded different to its vintage same-brand rival rather than better. Well, that goes with territory. The mags need to make a profit and to pay the staff at least a reasonable wage. But the point remains that given (a) the over-supply of new high-end gear in a diminishing market and (b) the buyers markets for high-value vintage gear that may indeed – or possibly not – sonically rival performance of new gear and (c) the justified end-user cynicism regarding the hype and hyperbole of marketing phrases re new gear, then end-users are at a significant disadvantage when seeking value rather than lowest pricing.

The paradox is that the very people most suited to addressing this are constrained by economic reality.

So, what’s to be done? Well, I’m thinking of doing a few comparative subjective reviews myself on my blog. Possibly for my own amusement and possibly to the altruistic benefit of others. My question though is – is there a demand? Perhaps those of you with an interest (rather than an axe to grind) might want to contact me via Audiogon, or perhaps continue the thread?

Meanwhile, my Musical Fidelity P270 sounds terrific into my Vandersteen 2c Signatures. As a start, I’m going to compare the P270 to something much newer of a similar spec and, as best I can judge, of a comparative price once 23 years of inflation are factored in.

I’m using a Carver 400t preamp, various SAE preamps, a Meridian 101b, a recent Arcam pre and North Star 2-box CD player. This leads me conveniently to the conclusion that modern DACs truly are an improvement t (generally speaking) over vintage ones. I say this having owned the $20k USD STAX X1-t. This isn’t the case with speakers though and having come to my senses about the Linn LP12 and accepted my frustration re the sonically magnificent but challenging Funk products. Re vintage speakers that to me easily equally or indeed surpass the performance of rivals from competitors I’d put the Magneplanar 20.R right up there with the finest. Similarly with the Infinity IRS and the Spendor BC3s. These BC3s although not quite as good as the Harbeth 40.1s can be had for a tiny fraction of the latter’s price. Dahlquist DQ10s being another case in point. And so it goes. Is the magnificent vintage Rowland power amps truly an altogether lesser beast than their new units? Incidentally am I the only one over her that feels (no, not feels … actually knows) that Rowland really is one of this industry's marginalised brands?

I now use a big old Denon Direct drive in a custom plinth comprising notinventedherium interspersed with layers of female yak-dung as a vibration absorber. The improvement using the female free-range version (1958 vintage) compared to the battery-farmed YD of recent years is nothing short of astonishing.

Finally, as I write this I’m listening to true vintage. Pink Floyd “Echoes” off the very rare “Rhapsody In Pink” live set through a mono speaker. If like me you saw the Floyd performing this live, the absence of Pace, Rhythm & Timing is an irrelevance. The musical trigger to the memory is sufficient. Anyway, those of you who wish to – you know how to find me.

Thank you

Regards

Howard Popeck / Stereonow Ltd
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My feeling is that new equipment can be expensive,but in technical terms/ and function better on the whole if you stick with new equipment throughout the system. Maybe TTs are different. The digital world is so much better than the old days.

I like the car analogy from CWlondon. Somehow old gear is easier to make sound ok. But if you are mad enough like many of us here, that is not enough.

I find the review world hard to get a handle on. The comparisons never seem constant. Please compare classic kit we know with the new kit to give us all a chance to understand the review.
In general, technology gets better all the time and not worse.

It may or may not cost more.

Digital sources and high power amps with the maturation of Class D technology are two areas where I think newer technology is vastly superior and also more cost effective currently to most of what went before it.

There may be better phono technology available today but that will cost a premium in a niche market.

i suspect with good companies with a track record, the engineering and manufacturing processes have progressed as well enabling higher quality than before but also perhaps at a premium due to modern costs and a smaller market.

There are some similar benefits with speaker technology thes days also but as a whole I think the differences here are lesser, assuming the older gear is still in good working order
bigaitch makes some logically unassailable points. expensive high end gear is a steeply depreciating commodity, much good, bargain-priced older gear might very well compare favorably to pricy new gear, and, especially since well-made components are engineered for long-term reliability, it might make economic sense to eschew new stuff and buy used. however, audiophilia is not, in the usual case, a purely logical or rational endeavor. many people, for a variety of reasons, only buy new--perhaps they want the latest and greatest, or like the sensation of opening the box, or consider it important to be the only owner. thus someone might choose to drop a couple of grand on a new interconnect when he could buy the exact same one used from a reputable seller for half as much, or less. ultimately, the audio world should work that way--if demand for the newest high-end gear abates, so will the ability of manufacturers to innovate and improve.
Actually, they were Musical Fidelity in the UK and British Fidelity in the US, as a company which had ceased operations still held the Musical Fidelity trademark over here. I was one of their dealers and sold the 270 which was especially good on the Quad 63s. Not for rock at high volumes of course, as one of my customers proved when he would heed any of my cautions about playing them at acid rock levels. I myself, although still a dealer, use used equipment for my own listening and recommend that path to others. I sell VPI tables for example and while the new models have advantages their older ones are still very good. The CJ 350 I use now IS considerably better than the 270, but the 270 is much better than many if not most products offered today. And the 350 costs much more than the 270 did. There are wonderful bargains available on Audiogon, but I don't run into the value for money shopper the way I use to. I am using Spendor S 100s [use to sell them] and find them different from but competitive with my friends Wilson Sasha speakers. HIFICRITIC has commented on the lack of progress, if not regression, in much of CD reproduction. The very top has advances but at an extremely high cost, I am still using my aged Meridian 200 transports with a 1992 Audio Synthesis DAX much of the time, it easily bettered a modern $5000 player IN MY SYSTEM recently. I joked that I was moving up to 2000 when I bought a pair of Focal Mini Utopias last year, despite certain advantages I eventually went back to the Spendors. These were the original ones with titanium tweeters, I paid and sold them for $2200, the current model was , I think, then $12000. But many HAVE to have the latest model, that is why I am still in the business.

Stanley Wallen
Alternative Audio
Bound for Sound magazine has been looking into vintage gear lately and doing some comparisons to modern stuff.

http://www.boundforsound.com/currIssue.htm