A major disconnect between the audiophile magazine


Greetings from London. There is in my view a major disconnect between the audiophile magazines and their readers. It’s an understandable one but in my view an important one – and that the focus of this thread-starter.

Although I’m a UK-based high-end retailer I am, curiously despite 34 years on and off still interested in music first and foremost and then the equipment that reproduces it. With my end-user hat on I have to say that in a lot of my vintage gear is certainly, performance-wise, up to the standard of a lot of modern equipment. It’s not all plain sailing of course and there is the tricky issue of value versus price. Let me explain.

Take the ARC SP-8 for example. Venerable, rightly revered and a bargain on the used market. Yes of course my ARC SP-10 and 11 are more musically credible. But in too many instances this is the exception rather than the rule. I’ve recently purchased a British Fidelity {Musical Fidelity outside the UK) P270 heavy-grunt power amp for $560 USD. 23 years old. Is the latest MF power amp of a similar specification noticeably AND significantly superior? Somehow, I doubt it. Different, certainly. But more musically credible? Hmm, somehow I doubt it. But I could be wrong. Very wrong in fact. So other than through substantial investment with the probability of selling one of the two units at some financial loss, how am I to know?

Now where do the magazines come into all this you might ask? Well let’s assume (naïve though it might be) that their primary reason for existence is to serve to needs of the reader. If so, then surely a side-by-side comparison of the two Musical Fidelity power amps (used purely for illustrative purposes in this post) is as valid as the mooted ARC SP8 versus SP10 comparison.

Clearly no advertiser of new equipment in an audiophile magazine would countenance this if they knew that the much touted new model really at best only sounded different to its vintage same-brand rival rather than better. Well, that goes with territory. The mags need to make a profit and to pay the staff at least a reasonable wage. But the point remains that given (a) the over-supply of new high-end gear in a diminishing market and (b) the buyers markets for high-value vintage gear that may indeed – or possibly not – sonically rival performance of new gear and (c) the justified end-user cynicism regarding the hype and hyperbole of marketing phrases re new gear, then end-users are at a significant disadvantage when seeking value rather than lowest pricing.

The paradox is that the very people most suited to addressing this are constrained by economic reality.

So, what’s to be done? Well, I’m thinking of doing a few comparative subjective reviews myself on my blog. Possibly for my own amusement and possibly to the altruistic benefit of others. My question though is – is there a demand? Perhaps those of you with an interest (rather than an axe to grind) might want to contact me via Audiogon, or perhaps continue the thread?

Meanwhile, my Musical Fidelity P270 sounds terrific into my Vandersteen 2c Signatures. As a start, I’m going to compare the P270 to something much newer of a similar spec and, as best I can judge, of a comparative price once 23 years of inflation are factored in.

I’m using a Carver 400t preamp, various SAE preamps, a Meridian 101b, a recent Arcam pre and North Star 2-box CD player. This leads me conveniently to the conclusion that modern DACs truly are an improvement t (generally speaking) over vintage ones. I say this having owned the $20k USD STAX X1-t. This isn’t the case with speakers though and having come to my senses about the Linn LP12 and accepted my frustration re the sonically magnificent but challenging Funk products. Re vintage speakers that to me easily equally or indeed surpass the performance of rivals from competitors I’d put the Magneplanar 20.R right up there with the finest. Similarly with the Infinity IRS and the Spendor BC3s. These BC3s although not quite as good as the Harbeth 40.1s can be had for a tiny fraction of the latter’s price. Dahlquist DQ10s being another case in point. And so it goes. Is the magnificent vintage Rowland power amps truly an altogether lesser beast than their new units? Incidentally am I the only one over her that feels (no, not feels … actually knows) that Rowland really is one of this industry's marginalised brands?

I now use a big old Denon Direct drive in a custom plinth comprising notinventedherium interspersed with layers of female yak-dung as a vibration absorber. The improvement using the female free-range version (1958 vintage) compared to the battery-farmed YD of recent years is nothing short of astonishing.

Finally, as I write this I’m listening to true vintage. Pink Floyd “Echoes” off the very rare “Rhapsody In Pink” live set through a mono speaker. If like me you saw the Floyd performing this live, the absence of Pace, Rhythm & Timing is an irrelevance. The musical trigger to the memory is sufficient. Anyway, those of you who wish to – you know how to find me.

Thank you

Regards

Howard Popeck / Stereonow Ltd
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Hello Djohnson54

You wrote: “. . . and putting perfectly working equipment into a landfill doesn't seem like a good option”. I agree with you 100%

During candid conversations with some prominent UK makers (not my suppliers incidentally) they have occasionally voiced the view, if not the plea that yes they very much wish that some of their existing customers would indeed put “perfectly working equipment into a landfill”

Their logic is, from a strictly commercial standpoint, irrefutable. They’ve realised that by having tens of thousands of their perfectly functioning discontinued models in daily use, they have become their own most tenacious and effective competitors. Unlike their automotive colleagues they are in the main incapable of identifying even one tangible improvement over the discontinued models. And that’s usually because there isn’t one. I’m thinking here primarily of speakers and amps and FM tuners.

However, my argument is to some extent invalidated when considering transports and DACs where yes indeed, tangible and readily identifiable improvements are apparent to most who care to listen – or indeed care at all.

Thank you for your comments

Regards

HP
http://not-boring-honestly.blogspot.com/
Hp,
I agree with you here. The systems that have blown me away are usually a blend of vintage classics and modern pieces. Lamm amps an vintage Tannoy's = awesome. Has the Micro Seki turntable really be bettered by anyone?
Howard, Someone has already mentioned Bound For Sound, an excellent subscription only magazine, with no adverts, in the same vein as HiFi Critic. It is much less glossy, so much cheaper. The contributors are quite rigorous in their reviews and critical where necessary.

Interestingly, Marty at B for S, has said he has difficulty getting items for review. The implication being, that manufacturers take the view that a large advertising spend gives them immunity from a bad review, in the main stream magazines.

He has being carrying out a series of reviews of Vintage kit. More interestingly, he starts from the position that they will be impaired because of old components. One has been able to follow him on a learning curve of how to replace worn out Caps and wiring on both amplifiers and speakers. Many of them produced smoke, not sound on first turning them on.

I live in the UK, so if you would like to borrow a few copies to read, send me a PM. I wo'nt copy them, as that is'nt fair to the magazine.
Howard, I understand why some of you colleagues feel that way. The economy has hastened an already shrinking market and they (and you) are being squeezed. The irony is that there is a huge untapped market out there for all of this equipment. The world is full of people, mostly young but some old too, that are listening to crap and don't know it. These same people also think that getting into high-end sound will cost a fortune even if they were willing to consider it. Imagine if we could introduce them to good sound using "obsolete" equipment and then later they become willing and able to invest in new equipment. It boggles the mind.

Dick
Howard, I'll offer another take on why some of the vintage gear is musically the equal of newer stuff - good engineering. Before the modern computer era it was more likely that talented engineers would end up working for an audio company than today because the electronics industry wasn't as diverse as it is today. Today the most talented engineers usually work in the communications and computer industries because that's where the most interesting work and the best pay is.

So, in the past the guy responsible for designing an amplifier, for example, for a major electronics company was likely one of the best guys you could find for the job - a true analog design guru. Nowadays the more likely person to be given this job is not as much of an analog design specialist. He relies upon the manufacturers of the ICs he uses to do the bulk of the engineering and he simply implements the recommended circuits found in the databooks. He also probably doesn't have as much experience as the engineer that designed the vintage piece did. He is able to achieve good results because the components are better, not because his skills are better. The vintage guy achieved good results with components that were not as good. This required more skill. Evidence of this skill can be found in vintage pieces that are still working fine after 30 years or more. They were designed to be reliable, not disposable as so much of todays consumer gear is.

I don't mean to say that there are no talented engineers designing audio gear anymore. There certainly are. They are more likely to be found in small companies as owner/designer. These guys have a true passion for their work. Jeff Rowland is a perfect example of one of these guys. I am curious as to why you think Rowland has been marginilized, though. I have always respected Jeff's work and have voted with my own dollars as my system is based around Rowland gear.