Oh how I wish Class D amps ...


I sure wish manufacturers and designers would move forward as quickly as is possible on improving the current status of Class D amps ... I have heard them all, some in my own system, and they have SO mcu promise !!! Unfortunately they just do not have it down yet. They still sound dry, unmusical, and strange in the treble ... kind of chalky and rolled off, and definitely lacking air.
I long for the day I can get rid of my hundred pound Class AB monster amp, for a nice small cool running amp that sounds just as good. I am worried though that designers and manufacturers have accepted the " It sounds good enough" opinion, and that the B&O Ice power may be a long time before it is "fixed"... sigh.
Just my rant ...
timtim
" Any of the class D users driving a pair of soundlab speakers;if so whats your opinion?"

A friend of mine with soundlab (latest A1) have auditioned my Wilson's Sasha driven by the pair of Spectron monoblocks and also bought the pair. (He used to have Pass Lab X350.5) I love the sound of his system and so does he.
Pass Lab, rather suprisingly for me, sounded "grayish" or "grainy" with shallow bass and very little dynamics in comparison to Spectron. I suspect this is only because these electrostatics demand power and power and power and Spectrons have about 7kW peak power.

Mike
Soundlabs don't actually need all that much power, but transistor amps (including class D) have trouble making power into the impedances of the Soundlab. Its for this reason that people using transistors tend to use very high power amps with them.

For example if you have an amp with 600 watt/8 ohms, on the Soundlab the amp will make about 150 watts. IMO/IME the bar that has to be met by class D is not how they compare to traditional transistor designs but (especially on SoundLabs) how well they compare to tube amplification.
"First off, the Ref 1000 is not a 1000 WPC amp, it is a 500 WPC amp (but that is really only for peak/short periods, not continuous)."

REF1000 is rated 1000W/4ohm. By "short periods" only you probably referring to specification of Icepower module 1000ASP used in REF1000 showing only 150W FTC?

First of all in reality it is much better than that (attached test below conducted by DIY member - read below), second of all it is rating of the module WITHOUT ANY HEATSINK!!! REF1000 uses heatsink and I suspect can output 1000W per FTC requirement but it is not even necessary because average music power is only few percent of the peak power.

Originally posted by dmfraser
"I operated a sample 1000ASP on the bench delivering 350W average of pink noise into a 4 ohm load for over one hour with no additional heatsink and the metal case stayed below 55°C.

However, higher levels would make the power supply voltage go down to act as a thermal compensation. Much nicer than just shutting down.

However, with 1214W of sine wave, partly into clipping, after about 35 seconds, the output level would drop to about 600W by the protection circuitry. Remember this is with no additional heatsink."
Ckoffend - I might be wrong about heatsink since they talked about ADDITIONAL heatsink (module has its own) but I don't really know If REF100 has additional heatsink (picture shows some heatsink).

Continuos power rating doesn't make much sense anyway since average music power delivered is only few percent of the peak.
"Atmasphere, OK. But FWIW, there should be no problem with almost any preamp, tube or transistor, driving a class D amp.

From my non professional experience. I was immediately taken by my first switching amplifiers lack of fatigue and its unusually transparent presentation. It did, however, pose some difficult issues regarding RF and/or EMI. An afternoons worth of a VAC upgrade and the RF issues were resolved. Now I was hearing my tube preamp, its noise and sonic colorations. After some extensive auditioning I found my current battery powered solid state preamp to be a key partnering with my switching amplifiers technology.

I agree, there shouldn't be a problem with other preamps and to a great extent there aren't. Still, the isolation of a battery powered pre proved to be a surprising sonic advancement in my system. Partnering the H2O with the Fire pre is another example.

I'd like to mirror Muralman, switching amplifiers require system refinement to varying degrees. Cable materials and size, shielding, and VAC supply all play a large part in system refinement.

All my amplifiers have their shortcomings but the switchers have far less. They are different and they do have their own presentation. None that I've auditioned even come close to sounding like a tube amplifier or solid state.