Has anybody heard the new Audio Research LS 27?


The new LS 27 is coming to the dealers now. Called the Audio Research and they said the new LS 27 sounds better than the Ref 3 and very close to Ref 5. That is the reason why the listing price of the LS 27 is changed to around $7,000 so that it won’t affect the sales of the Ref 5 too much.

Have you heard the LS 27 and how do you like it?
yxlei
Jafox, Markwatkiss - I think you are too hard on ARC.
Yes, perhaps, but my comment was not so much based on the claim that the next product is "better" than the last. It was about a newer product down in the line outperforming the top tier products of just a year or so ago. Writing that any product outperforms another in every parameter is quite a claim in anybody's book.

As an owner of ARC products for 15 years or so, trying out many of their products in my own system, or taking my product to a dealer to hear the differences, I quickly learned that the latest ARC product in a serious often did not outperform the last one. The new product was often not a refinement of the last, but rather a completely different interpretation of the musical performance! And then some years later, the previous "sound" was back.

People often write here about the ARC "house sound". There are actually two that I know of. This made for much frustration to "upgrade" my system and stay with ARC products. And finally I moved on to other lines, e.g., BAT, Counterpoint, Wolcott, CAT, Aesthetix, Aria.

Come on, after all these years, are line stage circuit topologies or PS designs really changing all that much? The great designers have pretty much already muscled through all the permutations here. The recognition and significance of greatly improved passive components, transformers, cabling, layout, interfaces, etc., are making a greater contribution these days than anything else.

The power supply design/implementation is often the greatest contributor in the improvements as you move up to the higher-priced models. So I am skeptical with the marketing claims when I read that last year's unit with the far more extensive PS design, is now "bettered" across the board by the more compromised new product.

Sure, trickle down knowledge, from what was learned in R&D development of the top products, can benefit the other models, but these models have inherent compromises that would still limit their performance. There could very well be greater resolution or clarity in one form or another brought on by a sweep of new passive components newly discovered. But the units with the beefier supplies are simply going to outperform in the ways of greater dynamics, and low-end control. If you throw in tube regulation/rectification, now you have 3D performance that the compromised solid state PS-based product can not match.

If changing a dozen capacitors takes a product's performance to a new level, then give due credit to the capacitor company and not hand wave that the audio company has once again made a great breakthrough. These comments are not directed at ARC but to the industry as a whole.

Ref-3 was first introduced in 2004, so it is not surprising, that the lower cost model that is beeing introduced some SIX years later is close in performance.
Close in performance in every way, or has a refinement or two, e.g., lower noise, extended top end, etc., due to a new wave of components?

John
Open the case of the LS27 and compare it to the Ref 5 and Ref 3 and judge whether the LS27 is that similar to either. I bought a used Ref 3 instead of a new LS27 after comparing the two. ARC has fans and detractors and because they have been around so long they have a lot of both, something not that common in high end audio.
Ref 3 is introduced in 2004 and discontinued in 2008. It is not unusual for the same company to produce a better product like LS27 7 years later and cost $3000 less.

Why don't we hear somebody who have actually listened to the LS 27 and tell us what are their impression?
The underlying assumption here is that the Ref 5 is an order of magnitude improvement over the Ref 3. It's is not, IMHO. The marketing angle is that since the Ref 5 is a major improvement over the Ref 3, then the LS27 must be at least as good as the Ref 3. I don't believe that listening bears that out. Compared to the LS27 the Ref 3 had more inner detail and transparency. The soundstage was also more "fleshed out". Money is also important. I bought a mint low hours Ref 3 from an ARC authorized dealer for $5200. How much is that new LS27 again?? Why buy a $7K "almost Ref3" when you can purchase the genuine article for less money?