Best Preamp for Ayon Orthos II monoblocks?

"Of course no integrated pre-amp is going to be as good as a dedicated reference tube pre for example,"
I think that this may not necessarily be true. When I went to the CD5s, I got rid of two power cords and two sets of IC's which were necessary with my separate transport, DAC and preamp. These wires and connectors are sources of noise and degradation. Then I was able to take the money from selling these and go up two levels in the one set of IC and power cord that were still necessary, further enhancing sound. The designer saves money in using one versus three separate cases that can be used in higher quality internal components. So if the one unit is well designed and shielded, if think it can compete and beat separates at the same cost.

Hi Doug
Can you describe how your purchase of Ayon Orthos ii, i am thinking of getting one pair to power my Hansen Emperor.
What is your pro and con.
thanks
Chris

08-10-11: Gammajo
"Of course no integrated pre-amp is going to be as good as a dedicated reference tube pre for example,"
I think that this may not necessarily be true

So if the one unit is well designed and shielded, if think it can compete and beat separates at the same cost.

Gammajo, of course yes the possibility to save the designer and end user money using a single box is obvious, and I agree Ayon have produced an excellent built in pre in the CD-5s. I also agree, that saved money can go toward better ic's & pc's (always a good thing), but assuming you already have reference level cables, adding a separate pre has the possibility of making a good improvement as there is less compromise in a dedicated preamp. In a well sorted system, I think the Ayon Orbis should be good for a 10-20% imrpovement over the CD-5s, and in high end those aren't small numbers. Move up to Vitus and it becomes night and day.

I agree the orbis is a noticeable improvement but no where even ten percent .I felt 5 percent is close.the parts quality is almost identicle
In the two preamp sections. As well as tube complements.
The biggest difference is the regererator filtering which is the biggest difference. If you have a very good line conditioner which Ido with
synergistics latest truly closes the gap.the orbis still is a little better
Across the board. Any solid state comparisons cannot be truly done for vacuum tubes do some things better than even the best in solid state
If using similar price points in my opinion.Everything is system
Dependent also.

I also wanted to mention that the parts quality in the cd5 s
Or even slightly better their Ayon Skylla-2 which does not have to share
The power supply for the transport ,their parts quality is not bettered in even $20k digital or preamp section . The Mundorf silver gold oil capacitors are very costly,as well as the Kitamura Kiden R core transformers and at 1 percent tolerance is not bettered by any company
Also S/N ratio of 120 and dynamic range of over 110
Is up their with the best preamplifiers ,and digital out there.
I had over $20k to spend and to buy the Ayon for under $9k just shows What is possible when the best parts are used and the shortest signal paths are implemented correctly.the Ayon is pre class A single ended
With -0 feedback throughout.I have yet to find a more natural sounding
Cd playback system with in the range of the working man.