Do I need BOTH amp and pre to be sonic holography?


I have Carver TFM 35 amp and C6 pre. I was considering replacing Carver pre with McIntosh C35 pre. Would I still have the sonic holography with just the Carver amp, and any thoughts as to whether this might be a worthwhile change/upgrade? (I'm not concerned with a tuner at this point.)
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Magfan Pehara and Zydo have it right. The Sonic Holography circuitry took a band limited (mostly midrange) signal from each channel, delayed it slightly, and injected it in reverse phase in the opposite channel. Carver built the circuit into their preamps, and also offered it in several stand alone configurations. The C9 was a dedicated Sonic Hologram processor, and the ECS-U included Holography along with several other speaker control functions for the Amazing series speakers. Both units went between pre and power amp, or in the tape loop.

In my early years of audio (the 80's) I loved the Hologram generator. It required careful setup of speakers, room and listening position, but the effect was quite startling on most material. Images extended well beyond the speakers and often wrapped 180 degrees around the listener. You could often hear the acoustic space if the recording was live. Occasionally sounds would appear to come from behind.

As I grew in the hobby I realized how gritty and transitory both the C9 and ECS-U sounded and I weaned myself off them. They were built with crappy parts and cheap power supplies. Sometimes I wonder what a high quality implementation of the concept would sound like.

Crosstalk cancellation would be a natural for digital processor implementation, and a vaguely recall the some Meridian processor offered it as a side function.

As Magfan mentioned, Polk offered a series of speakers in the 80's that atured an extra midrange driver in each speaker that was fed a reverse phase signal from the opposite channel. Spacing provided the necessary acoustic delay to make the effect work.

Bottom line: The Carver gear was never great sounding, and updrading the pre would be a good place to start.
The phrase was something like 'Interaural Crosstalk Delay'.......

In my (now ancient) messing with backchannel phased speakers (no delay) I was able to get great results by using a 2nd amp and wiring a pair of speakers IN SERIES between positive poles. Live recordings were LIVE.
In those days the system was a pair of JBL4311s in front w/ an SAE power amp and a pair of RSL3600 Studio Monitors and a Kenwood KA7100.

I STOLE the idea from the then popular DynaQuad circuits I saw.
Get a c-9, but get the manual for speaker set up. If you like the sound, you won't want to go back.
Wow. The depth of knowledge, and generous willingness to share it, is stunning and very much appreciated. Obviously I am a neophyte to this hobby, but learning as I go along with limited finances at this point, from research, trail and error, and in no small way from quite helpful people such as yourselves.
Sorry, I did realize I needed the pre for holography, but was interested in the value of the concept. Thank you Ghost, I shall start search for upgrading preamp first, as affordably as I can. Perhaps the Mc C35 I mentioned.
I know I sound like a stuck record, but nothing can replace auditioning equipment at a "high end emporium". No amount of reading post's written by some of the smartest people I have ever encountered will tell you what true "high end" sounds like.

You have to make that trip to a "high end emporium". Once the sound get's stamped on your brain, you'll know when you're getting it right.