Best Tube Amp/Preamp combination with Quad 2805s


Recently upgraded my Thiel 1.6 paired with Krell KAV-400xi integrated amp for a pair of Quad 2805s. Told that the Krell pairing probably won't bring out the best in the Quads. Looking at PrimaLuna Dialogue 3 preamp and Dialogue 7 mono amps. Also advised to look at an Audio Research combination of pre-owned LS17 preamp with pre-owned VS115 amp.
The price combination for the PrimaLuna and pre-owned Audio Research actually comes out pretty comparable. I love jazz, jazz vocals, and classical music. I really want to find a combination in the $6k-$10k range that gives me the closest approach to that "live" performance. I love a big, natural soundstage, front to back and side to side. I just don't want something too analytical with the Quads that becomes fatiguing to listen to.
Any thoughts out there between the PrimaLuna versus Audio Research sound? Any other classic pairings to look at for my price range?
vitman2020
Thanks Ralph. Your explanation is pretty clear. Just curious -- while ESLs behave like a giant capaciter, do they also have capacitive negative phase angles?

Also, as I asked above, does the amp/ESL match again come back to what the designer had in mind when he/she voiced the ESL in question? Working with your example, if the Quad ESL has an impedance curve that looks like it was a giant cap (i.e., high impedance in the bass and tappering off to low impedance as frequency increased), and if the ESL was voiced to be driven by a SS amp, plugging a Power Paradigm tube amp would make it sound like a tuba. Conversely, as you posited, if the ESL was voiced to be driven by a Power Paradigm tube amp, driving it with a SS amp or low output impedance tube amp like my ARC amp would make it sound like Mickey Mouse.

So my point is ... don't we gotta know what Quad or any ESL company had in mind. Otherwise, you're gonna have a great ESL product that sounds like a tuba or Mickey Mouse on estrogen if the wrong amp is used.

Do you know in fact what Quad has in mind with its current ESL offerings? I surmise that since you think one of your OTL amps would be a match made in heaven, an inference is permitted that my tube amp would not sound very good - (like Mickey Mouse on estrogen).
Bruce, Its not quite as extreme as that :)

You do get some capacitive phase angle. But most ESLs have a matching transformer too, so you have some inductive issues as well. Overall though other than impedance, all ESLs tend to be fairly benign in that regard.

I don't know of an ESL that is 'voiced'. When I look at the older Quads and the Sound Labs, they certainly aren't. In my book, 'voicing' is some sort of frequency compensation that has been introduced to make the device work a certain way.

I do know of an ESL that has tweeter and woofer sections, and is actually equipped with two woofers (where a Quad has only one). This particular speaker (which is not well known and is not an ESL that comes up when people talk about ESLs) only works with amplifiers that have a very low output impedance.

Martin-Logan loudspeakers have a low impedance and for that reason can be a difficult load for tube amps, but even they are not 'voiced' so far as I can tell- if you get a set of ZEROs you can drive them with a zero-feedback tube amp no problem (as long as the amp has the power). So I think the 'voicing' thing isn't, with regards to ESLs.

In recent years (since the ESL63 and ESL57) Quad has been going down the path of lower impedance, much like Martin Logan, in an effort to get transistors to be happier with their speakers. They have so far been more moderate about it than Martin Logan (whose speakers are typically rated at 4 ohms although they are only about 0.5 ohms at 20KHz), I think the newer Quads have been about 8 ohms (meaning their 20KHz impedance is about 1 ohm), as opposed to the old days when they were rated more like 16 ohms. FWIW the Sound Labs seem to come in around 30 ohms by the same measure.
I ran a pair of Quad 2905s with Conrad Johnson CT 5 and LP 70S for over 7 years. Amazing combination and available used in the OP's budget. Basically any CJ, ARC or similar tube amp with around 50 wpc should mate well with the Quads. Congrats on your selection of the Quads. Brilliant speakers.
Cheers
Pradeep