How do I smooth out violins?


I have a decent system (bit of a mixed bag) but know that I can achieve a smoother, more integrated, and more relaxed massed violin sound. I listen to a ton of orchestral music and notice that massed violins in their upper registers (1500-3500 Hz) often jump out from the mix and sound a bit harsh, unlike what one hears live. Right now, I have the following:

Spendor SP1/2E
McCormick DNA-125 (original)
NAD 1600 (pre/tuner)
Marantz CD3000
Audioquest Sidewinder ICs
Audioquest Type 4

Would a tube pre help (maybe a AA M3A)? I'm thinking that the NAD may be the culprit. Any advice from those of you who have quested for "real" violin sound is very much appreciated.
bojack
Bo...violin (string) sounds are actually "sawtoothe" waves.....extremely difficult to reproduce electronically. Its a rising pulse followed by a sharp drop....you need fast equipment to cope. ..here's some info that might be interesting. The hair on a bow has microscopic "thorns" along its length. When the performer draws the bow on the string, these thorns actually pluck the string, but then the pressure of the string on the bow immediately stops the string from vibrating....thus...the sawtoothe waveform.
Stringreen - That's actually a very interesting post and it taught me something, BUT the problem in my system is only apparent in orchestral music. Solo violin in that higher frequency range actually sounds exceptionally good in that range, massed violins exceptionally bad.
I see the weak points in your system as the Marantz CD player and the NAD preamp/tuner. As a Spendor SP1/2E user, let me attest to their ability to render classical music very well indeed. By the way, I became even happier with the Spendors after adding a good subwoofer to supplement the low end. Classical music is much enhanced with Spendors combined with a sub (same with other music). Bottom line: No free lunch. Your loudspeakers deserve much better electronics.
You know, distortion affects all signals passing through your system.
The nasties you describe are always present, even on the solo violin you think sounds good.
On some of the signals it is more obvious, that's all.
I read a post where someone suggested that the more diverse your system sounds with different source material the more likely that it is neutral.
I think that he is on to something.
All of the distortions in a given system color the sound. Many together make mush.
I have found that the closer I get toward neutrality (non-distorted sound), the larger difference small changes make.
It is like peeling an onion. I keep chipping away and all of a sudden things really start to come into focus. At first it's a leap of faith and then the closer I get the clearer it becomes.
An analogy is color mixing. Too many and you get muddy brown. Narrow the blend and it becomes clearer and brighter. Distortions are like those colors. The more of them you have the muddier the situation becomes. Peel them away one at a time and only after most are tamed does the picture become clear.
-Mike
I notice that in this and related violin forums, nobody mentions the complexities of the human ear. An early very sophisticated attempt to explain vagaries of massed-violins tone is by Mark Dolson in the early 1980s. This paper is not directly useful to improving the sound of your hifi set, but gives you some ideas.  eg, I have many CD on which massed violins sound fine; but I have bought 5 CD of Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto #2, and the violins are bad on all.  Does Rachy score the 1st and 2nd violins in some peculiar way that creates "Dolson Effects"? I can hear massed-violin problems even at high-quality live concerts, the Vienna Philharmonic, eg. Wall & ceiling reflections can damage massed-violins tone—also, like Dolson, published in acoustics journals.  I suggest that female-chorale distortions arise similarly.  Of course, it is highly likely that the situation gets worse via the processing and playback chain.