Speakers that sound like Usher Be-20s/10s

@P59teitel : i do know the differences between those amps but it didn't explain why it was so flat? Do you imply that the PLINIUS should drive speakers with too much depth to be good??? :))

@Denon1: I'm quite surprise on your impression on the CP-8571II? Dc d'apollito is behind every USHER AUDIO speakers and his work on phasis is flawless.
I don't know your electronics but if you had this impression on CP-8571, the Martens are probably messy enough to melt all frequencies together...

ROTEL is probably not the best Hifi brand on the market but it depends if you're talking about power amps, preamps, CD player... and it will also depend of the model, like in every brand on the market. Sometimes it's great on some models. Sometimes it's bad...
The ROTEL power amps are not so bad for the asking price. If you use a hybrid system with tube preamp and ROTEL power amp, you can be surprise.

About the USHER DMD tweeter, i'm still surprise when someone always write about the Beryllium percentage inside it ?! For the record, the DMD is no longer a Beryllium tweeter... Nevertheless, how can you measure the quality of a driver on the percentage of Beryllium inside it ?
USHER is probably the best brand on the market today for many reasons :
1 - They produce and develop their own drivers (DMD tweeter, Beryllium medium)
2 - They use the skills of dc d'apollito, M. Ritchie and 40 years of experience.
3 - The asking price is way below the competition for a better result.

I'm a professional for 20 years and i was always amazed how people can buy only on reputation or ego. When it comes to real sound, it's not an easy task to find something really emotional!
Many brands offer artificial highs (headache after 1 hour of listening), emphasis medium (majority), boomy low frequencies or no bass at all. USHER was a real slap when i discover the brand during an Hifi show. From the S-520 to the D-3, it's always perfectly in phase and a real deal for the price. And it makes music, not only frequencies.
MARTEN for example use a ceramic driver. It's too stiff to let music flow but great on transients. It depends what you like to ear : the sniffing man on the back of the sound stage or the emotion of the music.
And "knowing audio" doesn't mean a thing. Knowing technic and drivers are better informations to evaluate a speaker.

Dynamic with no-control is probably the worst an amplifier can make!

Power is one thing, control of power is a complete different story. Many amplifier shows dynamic in one single wave (flat), some other throw the music in the face (forward). Rare are amplifiers with articulate dynamics that show how every instrument has his own life. I really think is the heart of a great Hifi system.

In my life, the only cheap brand that showed an incredible value for the price was MAGNUM (not Magnum dynalab), a small english brand now closed.

A rapid list of great amplifiers in order of price for me :
- NVA (English) : not the greatest neutrality but so vivid and enjoyable to listen to!
- TSAKIRIDIS Devices (Greece) : Tube amps phenomenal for the price!
- EXPOSURE : Not all the models are equally good.
- ODYSSEY : depending on models
- NAIM (english) : This brand is a closed sister of NVA...
- SYMPHONIC LINE (German) : expensive but very good
- MUSIC CULTURE (German): Extremely musical, fluid but even dynamic

I found the Plinius SB-301 I had in my system to have reasonable control along with good macro-dynamics. And it was a bass monster - low but tight. Where it fell a little short compared to better - and usually quite a bit more expensive - amps was in micro-dynamics and a bit of a rolled-off top end. But it will drive just about any load and holds its own in its price range.

"Rare are amplifiers with articulate dynamics that show how every instrument has his own life. I really think is the heart of a great Hifi system."

If by "articulate dynamics" you mean micro-dynamics then we agree that is very important.

"- SYMPHONIC LINE (German) : expensive but very good"

Indeed. Look at my system page. :)