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The Trouble with Cartridge Recommendations

I am having an issue with cartridge recommendations. I understand that the best scenario is to test carts in my system with my music in my room. This requires a pretty outstanding relationship with a dealer who has multiple carts on hand. Short of that, is to purchase through a dealer who can recommend a cart and support his recommendation with a fantastic return policy.

Problem is, with the internet at my disposal, I can purchase slightly used carts, demo models, NOS, off shore imports at fractions of the cost of going through a dealer. The up shot is my money goes A LOT further. Problem is, there is no more guaranty that it will suit tastes and existing gear...

Which brings me to this forum and a plead for recommendations based on the collective array of experience.

Let me introduce myself. I have been primarily listening to records for about 15 years and been taking it pretty seriously the last 5-6 years. I love open baffle speakers and well designed tube amps. My friends consistently have very high priced hi fi set ups so I am aware of fantastic analog reproduction. But I need to be more creative with my budget to get the most out of a dollar.

Music tastes are hard pin point. I have about 5-6 records that represent my main tastes and NEED to sound fantastic for me to be happy, the artists are: Nick Drake, Syd Barrett, OutKast, Jesus Lizard, The Dirty Three, and The shangri-las...

My system (which I enjoy and would like to keep as is):
VPI Classic 1 (standard)
PS Audio GCPH (phono stage)
Eico HF81 (fully rebuilt integrated amp)
GR Research V1 (OB speakers with Servo Sub Bass)

My ideal cart throws a huge sound stage with fantastic dynamics. Detailed low end with impact and smooth treble. I like a pinpoint centre image. I can give up the most precise detail and accuracy for pleasure and engagement.

Keeping in mind that I would like to do this on a reasonable budget is key. I will be searching for any deal I can find once I narrow my search. My short list is:
ZYX R100
Dynavector 20x
Benz Glider
Shelter 501 (901)

So thanks for reading this, and please let me know what you all think. I will certainly respond with any further info and I will also try to contribute myself to re-pay the advice I get here.
srbedard
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
Thanks for the help above. I recently installed a gently used Shelter 501 MKII.

So far it is pretty great. Maybe not the last cart I'll every use, but works very well and brings the room to life.

VTF: 1.8. VTA a tad high. Load: 100ohms.
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jmcgrogan2
6,346 posts
 
Thanks for reporting back in. Congrats on the Shelter and enjoy the music.
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
I should also note, that I have the 3 gram headshell weight from VPI installed as well to help with compliance matching.

So far I would rate the sound as a base line for the truly holographic hifi effect. But remaining warm, musical and fun.

The Denon 103 (aluminum) that I replaced is much more 2D. The 103 has excellent dynamics and 'wow' factor. But none of this breadth.
jperry
2,458 posts
 
Good decision. I recommended the Dynavector 17D3, but I have a Shelter 901, and I think it sounds great.

Have fun with your holographic sound system!
gharnden
4 posts
 
Until just recently, I have had the VPI Classic 1 with the PS Audio GCPH combination in my system and the cartridge that I have been running is the Dynavector 20x VPI version (1.0 mv). While the combination worked well, I was concerned that the PS Audio GCPH was the limiting factor in the setup and started doing some phono stage upgrading. Based on testing with a combo of a Graham Slee Reflex Era Gold and Graham Slee Elevator EXP and testing with a Simaudio LP 5.3, I confirmed that the limiting component in the setup was definitely the GCPH. I am getting amazing bass as well as treble extension out of the Simaudio LP 5.3 and the difference in the soundstage is nothing short of astounding. Where the GCPH always provided great soundstage width, it always seemed somewhat flat for depth. However, with the Simaudio LP 5.3, the soundstage depth just opened up and really provides a great 3 dimensional presentation and makes a big difference in the vocals as well.

So, with all that said, I don't think you could go wrong with the Dynavector 20x VPI version. But you may ultimately want to take the GCPH to the next level as well.
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