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Goldeneraguy, it makes sense what you say of course. Besides this is all purely personal. I don't pretend to be an expert. All I am recounting is the fact, that today, now quite old, I still am moved by the music of those names I mentioned, while the likes of Baker or Mulligan et al don't really get me involved. It is "interesting" for me, but that's it. I does not get below skin level.But this is off-topic anyway. So my apologies and I'll shut up.

Newbee, nice of you to chime in. In a sense, and I mean this with a touch of malice, you may be right. Never thought of Chet's music this way. His audience? I wouldn't really know. But our "intellectuals" in Europe, especially those who flirted with more than just weed, loved him. Speaking of dinner jazz...do you know Carla Bleys *Dinner Music" ? Hilarious!
Cheers,
Detlof

Detlof , Apologies are not necessary.You are not fans of Mulligan or Baker that's fine.I happen to be a fan,but that just me.I still appreciate your posts and insights.

Yeah I can appreciate the cultural myopia that might conclude that jazz is an answer to social ostracism or that musicians who must work for a living never tire of complaining about the competition. But of all the genres jazz is the one solely about its sound, one that transcends looks, cars, clothes and hairstyles. Cultural pride is righteous but assigning racial labels to individuals or groups in an attempt to somehow explain, define or symbolically organize their behavior is the absurdity of racism itself. Detlof, does a turntable sound white due to its creative origin? Beethoven isn't great because of where or when he lived. Genius is genius. Some cats can play and some can't.

Hm, Rockvirgo, I would fully agree with your following sentence, which I incidentally find very well put, that "assigning racial labels to individuals or groups in an attempt to somehow explain, define or symbolically organize their behavior is the absurdity of racism itself." But please do not forget, that I was alluding to a time, which incidentally I am still acutely aware of, but which lies now almost 50 to 60 years behind us. Every generation interprets history, especially cultural history according to its own needs and values and what you rightly call cultural myopia now, was then within the very cradle of modern jazz seen, lived, interpreted and understood quite differently. And you're not quite right I feel, though Beethoven would be Beethoven wherever he lived and worked, his music would be not the same, had he composed in London or St.Petersburg and not in Vienna. Just as much as Handel's compositions do - at least in part - reflect the needs and tastes of the London society of his time.
My turntable is black and sounds black if thus fed by the way. (;