Overshadowed by bandmates

>>Charlie Watts is tremendous. Don't underestimate the man<<

I agree but perhaps you too missed my point. That is, he is not the most talented or most creative or most important member of the Stones. Ditto Ringo Starr.

IMO that is indisputable.

Keep in mind this mini-discussion concerns the assertion "A band is only as good as its drummer". If that were the case the Beatles would only be as good as Ringo and the Stones as good as Watts.

We know that's not the case.

Bill has an excellent point. Case closed as far as I am concerned.

My simple point (seems to have also missed by some) is every band depends on its drummer to keep an accurate (as humanly possible) beat whether they are good as Gene Krupa or as good as The Drummer in AC/DC, or me!, that is not say other members' are any less important.
Funnily enough Jools Holland (amateur piano and not very good) has mentioned that a 'bands is only as good as its drummer', so I am to assume that Mr Holland is not a real 'pro'(although I do not know why the word 'pro' has crept into this discussion, I mean I am a keen cyclist and just because I am no Lance Armstrong does that mean I know nothing about bicycles?) or that Mr Holland knows schock-all about music?

Yeah, drummers seldom get the headlines I suppose.

Not the place to be if you are looking to become a breakout star.

Look at Phil Collins. It was only after Peter Gabriel left and he was chosen to take over lead vocal duties with Genesis that he got noticed.

I never realized how talented Jim Capaldi was until I first heard one of his solo albums.