Share thoughts on Keith Jarrett

Thanks Paanders, and thanks for opening the door for further discussion beyond the "He's great"/"He sucks" realm. With some welcomed exceptions, more in-depth discussion/analysis of music and artists is sorely missing in these discussions; IMO. I know some listeners feel that analysis somehow leads to dimished visceral enjoyment. I could not agree less. I suppose it does for some. That is too bad, because analysis can lead to an even deeper understanding and enjoyment.

***I've really appreciated many Jarrett records, almost always when playing with others. I'm one of those oddballs who really doesn't like KOLN CONCERT much at all. Those "gospel-ish" arpeggios and the high-pitched drama are really off-putting to me. But the 70s band with Motian, Redman, et al: that's some goood stuff. And the standards trio of the 1980s as well. And then the very recent standards albums (one of duets with Haden) and the other solo (but not long-form improv) are strikingly good and approach the impact of Evans' best.***

I agree with every point you make.

To those who IMO are critical of Jarrett without putting the criticism in proper perspective, I quote Xiekitchen:

***In the same category as Miles? hmmm... there were times, for me, when Miles wasn't in the same category of Miles.. :)***

one of the basic tenets ... but can one still folllow the tune

I respectfully disagree with this statement. I think it is perfectly acceptable to stretch out far beyond the tune, even to completely obliterate it, as long as one does come back to it either on occasion or at the end. Otherwise, I'd hate to listen to My Favorite Things or Surrey With the Fringe on Top - two silly, sappy songs otherwise IMO. It is the stretch beyond the tune which often defines jazz for me. It gets me excited and grips my interest, hearing how inventive players can be with ANY old tune. In no other genre does this occur. That, to me, is what makes jazz so special and transcends all other music genres.

Addendum - In place of following the "tune", I do prefer jazz which at least follows a groove. I do not enjoy "free jazz", music with no structure at all, when there is nothing to follow.

As I wrote that comment, there was a voice in my head saying "someone will take you to task for that".

***I respectfully disagree with this statement. I think it is perfectly acceptable to stretch out far beyond the tune, even to completely obliterate it, as long as one does come back to it either on occasion or at the end. Otherwise, I'd hate to listen to My Favorite Things or Surrey With the Fringe on Top - two silly, sappy songs otherwise IMO. It is the stretch beyond the tune which often defines jazz for me. It gets me excited and grips my interest, hearing how inventive players can be with ANY old tune. In no other genre does this occur. That, to me, is what makes jazz so special and transcends all other music genres***

I can't disagree with your comment. And, I admit, my comment was overly simplistic. To clarify: When I said "can one still follow the tune", I don't mean the actual melody, but the rhythmic and/or harmonic shape of it.

A great improviser has the abiity to, in the context of an improvised solo, keep making subtle, and not so subtle references to the original tune/harmony so that the listener's ear/brain can clearly "follow" the tune. Even Coltrane's "My Favorite Things", or better yet, in a tune with more difficult harmonic progression like the classic "Giant Steps", there is always a sense that the imrovisation is grounded to a foundation (the original). Some players lose this focus when they stretch out, and it gets dangerously close to simple musical meandering. Sonny Rollins is another great example. Not too many players have the courage to play without a piano to provide the harmonic underpinnings. Their innate sense of harmony and structure is so strong that they can do without it. I guess what I am saying is that, for me, Jarrett loses that focus sometimes. Obviously, he is a great talent, and is being compared to the very best; but...

Frogman, after clarification I agree with your comments completely. For me also it is not good when a musician loses focus. Once they wander into naval gazing noodlery or simply just get lost, they lose my attention completely and I'll avoid that track from then on. I've heard it from other musicians but have not yet noticed it from KJ. Though I've not heard as much of his catalogue as I'd like.