Racquetball isolation platform perfection


Racquetball isolation platform perfection ... and DIY style to boot ! Thought I'd share with you my experiment that turned out working perfectly in my system.
Basically I copied a Ginko Cloud platform using $5 worth of racquetballs from Wal Mart and some 1/2" Birch plywood. I used a specialty grinding stone from a local tool store that makes a perfect 1.5" concave in the wood. Cinched it up in my drill press and drilled it down about 1.5" in from every corner, and went down about 3/8" deep. It's allows the balls to move back and forth by about a half inch, and when the top platform is added the CD player simply " floats " on top. just like an original Ginko. This EASILY bested several different cones I have in my collection, a set of Isonodes, a set of Symposium Rollerblocks, and a innertube isolation platform.

Total cost ? $15.

The bass is the tightest and most defined I have ever had in my current system. It made amazing amounts of good things happen under my Lexicon RT-20.

Try it for yourself, it was a winner in my system.
timtim
Impact-induced sound is exciting resonances just like structure-borne & air-borne sound with the impact-induced sound being a worst-case scenario. why are you having so much difficulty correlating the two w/o the walking stick of scientific equations???
Bombay, there are only 2 forms of acoustic feedback applicable to audio reproduction.
Air-Bourne sound transmission and Structure-Bourne sound transmission.
Please read the attached link which has diagrams to explain the two.
http://www.avguide.com/forums/sound-transmission
Unless you are inclined to sit listening whilst a friend or relative raps on your shelves and/or turntable, Impact-induced sound transmission is not a consideration in normal audio reproduction.
To validate your testing of Impact-induced sound transmission as it applies to the regular two forms of sound transmission one needs to provide conclusive and repeatable scientific tests which demonstrate a quantifiable link between the three?
To my knowledge, there does not exist any scientific evidence which establishes a direct correlation between Impact-induced sound transmission and the other two?
Without this information, all your assumptions and knuckle rapping are about as useless as your dismissal of the role of science and physics in audio?
Without this information, all your assumptions and knuckle rapping are about as useless as your dismissal of the role of science and physics in audio?
Halcro
I never dismissed science & physics in audio! you have misconstrued my words & minced them to mean whatever you thought. In earlier posts in this thread I was talking about the physics of rotational machines with Chashas1. Did you gloss over those posts?? Obviously I know better than to simply dismiss science & physics in audio. What I said was that I did not believe that there was a need for scientific formulae for this particular test. Read my post(s) again.
Thanx for the link - I'll read it.

Unless you are inclined to sit listening whilst a friend or relative raps on your shelves and/or turntable, Impact-induced sound transmission is not a consideration in normal audio reproduction
I agree with you that it's not considered normal to have a friend knock on your rack while listening. Let me re-iterate (for the nth time) my objective of my test - I want to see if the rack/shelf/plinth resonance is excited will I be able to hear it. I really do not care how the resonance is excited just that once it's excited I want to kill it off. Also, material's resonance is only 1 freq no matter how it is excited - knocking, air-borne, structure-borne. So, I knock on the various components & check if there is an adverse sonic effect of this. If there is, I trace it & work on dissipating the resonance. Once I'm satisfied, then, I can be reasonably sure that if resonances are excited via air-borne or structure borne transmissions (as cited in the link you provided), I will not hear them.
You can do this test by actually inducing air-borne &/or structure-borne sound xmission; it's easier, more expedient & gives the same results (afterall the objective is to try to excite resonances) if one knocks on various materials & sees if they need work damping-wise &/or isolation-wise.
Bombay,
Structure-Bourne and Air-Bourne sound transmissions into materials are vastly different to those transmissions excited by Impact.
Why can't you understand this?
There is no scientific correlation between the three yet you continue to assume and state that the resonances excited by impact are just an 'exaggeration' of the other two.
As Clint Eastwood famously said.....'A man's gotta know his limitations'......and you would do well to stick to subjective comments and leave science to those who have something to contribute?
Structure-Bourne and Air-Bourne sound transmissions into materials are vastly different to those transmissions excited by Impact
WTF cares if they are different mechanizms of sound transmission. The net effect on the gear, rack, TT is the same - resonances in the gear, rack, TT are excited.
Why can't YOU understand that I'm NOT concerned with how the resonances are excited. I'm merely concerned with exciting resonances & dealing with dissipating them.
When I want to differentiate amongst the different mechanizms of sound propagation I'll ask you. Right now I'm concerned with exciting resonances & dealing with them appropriately. Understand???

[quote]There is no scientific correlation between the three[/quote]
you have said this a few times now. Where have you read this? Do you have any evidence of this? Or, is this your conjecture??

and you would do well to stick to subjective comments and leave science to those who have something to contribute
You would do equally well by NOT counting yourself amongst those who have any scientific knowledge to contribute. I read the posts thru the link you provided earlier. The manner in which you have dealt with the subject is total a joke! It's totally risible - it's half-assed, hand-waving & you hide behind
but there are many more issues involved and it is infinitely more complex than my basic description
!

Halcroman, the great science contributor using language the following language in his treatise of structure-borne, air-borne sound transmission:
Also the frequencies that are happily carried by one material may be UNHAPPY in another material
happy frequencies & unhappy frequencies.... soooo scientific, Halcroman!
This is why turntable manufacturers laminate dissimilar materials to form their platters so that various frequencies are prevented from ‘jumping over’.
yes, more scientific verbage - frequencies are jumping over.......just like the cow jumped over the moon!
With this knowledge, it is easy to see that the long-wavelength frequencies in the wall are not HAPPY to travel in the thin metal brackets which are attached to it
more talk about unhappy frequencies....
Boy, by this time in your treatise on the subject, I'm feeling like I'm being taught by an authority on the subject.
the shelf being DENSER than the bracket, will scoff at the minute high-frequencies it sees
Oh boy, the shelf is now getting an attitude! It's scoffing at some unhappy frequency that wants to come into the shelf. Very scientific, Halcroman!
Of course if you really want ULTIMATE decoupling, placing some rubber or neoprene between the bracket and wall is even better
Alright! Now we have come to *the* ULTIMATE solution. This is it, guys, look no further - if you want to decouple to the best ability that mankind knows none other than *the* Halcroman has written it (pretty much like the statement we read sometime back that Al Gore invented the Internet).
However the physics and acoustics are undeniably on the side of mounting the turntable off the wall and NOT on a floor mounted stand
The final line in the treatise on the subject - according to Halcro it is UNDENIABLE at this point that a TT should be mounted on the wall. The crap that you have written in the lines before the final statement is a whole bunch of hand-waving, obvious statements that anyone can find in a textbook covering acoustics such as F. Alton Everest & many others. There is no logical progression thru the obvious statements you have written & you conclude UNDENIABLY that TTs should be wall-mounted. You MUST have terribly flunked logic in the GRE (if you even went to grad school).
Halcro, you are a joke when try to toot your trumpet & try to call yourself a man of science. Just hide your face & crawl back in your shell.
Bomby, you have a great chance to learn here, but you are too busy arguing with everyone, i think you will soon start arguing even with yourself. You've had several good knowledgable people give you advice, and you cannot stop to see it. Stop chasing your tail.
I kept checking the thread because I thought you were so funny, now I leave it because I am sad for you.