Influence of DC offset on bias


Hi everyone. I'm usually an observer here and hopefully learn something along the way. Can someone shed some light on my question of what if any influence or affect dc offset has on the bias of an amp. I know how to check both and have never come across an amp with identical offset on both sides; well within acceptable levels on both sides, but never the same. Also impossible to adjust them to the same level. Does this render identical bias on both sides incorrect in terms of channel balance as it affects your ears? I would greatly appreciate some insight into this.

Thank you
csontos
I don't know, maybe but the 105's keep you on the edge of your seat waiting for it to happen and it never does, no sub-audible bottom end at all. I adjust bias on all my amps. I have no auto bias amps. Some don't have adjustable offset. The LSR&D Superamp monos I have definitely have bias pots. There are no other ones in the circuit. The Leach Low TIM DIY circuit has had numerous upgrades over the years so you may have found an up to date version but the factory amps were few in number produced back in the late 70's-early 80's. Unfortunately and sad to say, Dr. Leach passed away this past November. Always returned his e-mails and was available to deal personally with any question you may have.
Hi Csontos . . are you experiencing differences in timbre or level between channels on some of your amps? If so, given the age of the GAS stuff, the first thing I would be looking for is dried-out electrolytics used for coupling caps, especially at the input and in the feedback ladder.
Kirkus, I'm not experiencing a problem, just searching for an explanation on why after setting bias identically, I have to then pinpoint the adjustment while listening to program material. I believe Marakanetz answered my question. All of my amps are gone over and have been recapped and upgraded throughout. However resisters are usually left alone unless they're blown so I'm assuming it stands to reason the adjustment is much more critical; or is it? You tell me. I thought a stilted offset might require a stilted bias but apparently that's not the case. The bottom line is, and whatever the reason, on every one of my amps, perfect channel balance results in a stilted condition. Very close, but stilted. The channel with more offset always has a higher bias also.
Well, bias of course affects distortion performance, and I have seen many, many amplifiers where the final quescient bias level when warmed up varies with how much load there is on the amplifier when its warming up, and ends up being very different from the value and conditions specified by the manufacturer in the biasing procedure. These thermal subtleties seem to be lost on a great many engineers, and a manufacturer's audiophile "brand reputation" seems to have very little correlation with competency in this area.

As far as offset goes, most modern amps *shouldn't* exhibit a change in distortion performance as a result of an offset adjustment. But many early solid-state designs, including the GAS amps, don't have a current-mirror on the input diff-amp, which means that the balance of quescient current between the diff-amp pair is highly dependent on component tolerances . . . and offset adjustment. And even-order distortion products rise pretty quickly as the diff-amp becomes unbalanced.

With a distortion analyzer, oscilloscope, and a bit of experience, one can easily see the different effects of different distortion mechanisms on the amplifier as a whole. But without this, you're pretty much just "stirring the soup" of whatever flaws the amplifier has, and getting whatever floats to the top.
But if my procedure addresses or "corrects" the situation, is that not a best case scenario? Are you speaking of inherent characteristics of a given topology not equipped to deal with certain potential drawbacks, or are you referring to an unseen but needed repair? What's the option to stirring the soup?