reluctant about home theater


I'm moving into a new home and starting a new system...........I am an audiophile first and foremost..what I need to know is will a non compromised audio system work well with video or are there different qualities necessary for the best sound from movies etc..i.e. will the sound of a purist audiophile system be optimum for video?
desoto
I have been struggling with the same questions as Desoto.

I would offer the opinion that a good 2 channel and a good HT system can coexist. At least I hope that's the case since it is what I am in the process of building myself. Since I don't feel wealthy enough to spread my resources over two systems, and since I don't have the room anyway, the practicality of the combination is best for me and perhaps for others.

I think that you should start with a good 2 channel set up, however you define that to be. Perhaps something that you personally think is good would be a good start, rather than what other people say is good. Of course there is lots of good advice available on Audiogon given the breadth of experience of all the members. Once you have your 2 channel in place, you're set for the music side.

The next step is to add the HT. The question now becomes what needs to be added, without detracting from what you have.

I would start by recommending HT bypass. That way you can preserve your 2 channel set-up's qualities. You're not degrading it with the extra circuitry needed for multichannel processing when you're in HT mode.

Now, what do you need to add to the 2 channel for a good HT. You already have a good two speaker set up. So that part should work fine for movies too. What else do you need. Well, movies differ in two major respects. First, there is a lot of dialogue, not just music. So you need a good centre channel, since this is where most of the dialogue is likely to come from. Second, you need a big, honking subwoofer to shake the floor when T.Rex goes stomping by, or when Arnold Schwarzenegger is terminating people. Okay, I'm being a bit silly, but you get the point.

Now if you get right down to it, if you have a good two channel system, you don't need even a centre channel or a sub. You can put your processor on phantom centre mode, and let the magic of stereo imaging put the dialogue in the centre. And if you have a really good sub in your two channel set-up, you don't need to add anything there because it will already be capable of producing the effects. Although if you want to try multichannel music, you will have to go for the full 5.1 set-up.

So in conclusion to my admittedly simple post, I submit that you can have both 2 channel and HT in the same system. They are not mutually exclusive. Start with a good 2 channel system. Make sure you have a good centre channel for dialogue for movies, and a good sub for movie effects. When you want to only listen to two channel, use the HT bypass if you feel that the extra HT circuitry from the processor is detracting from the 2 channel.

The sound of a purist audio system, in my opinion, will be great for video too. You just have to add a centre, sub and processor (and surrounds too of course)of a quality level that is commensurate with 2 channel you have.

I don't see 2 channel vs. 5.1 as an "either or" argument like the tubes vs. solid state, or analog versus digital arguments tend to be. The goal of 2 channel and 5.1 is the same, good reproduction. The HT just needs more parts, of which the the good 2 channel will be a component of.

There, I feel better. I've convinced myself that my efforts in building a combo 2 channel and HT system is a good approach after all.
Desoto;

I can only imagine what kind of person would be threatened by a post that simply asks you to be a little clearer about what you mean?

Don't you think your original question needs a little expansion on the details? What is a audiophile purist system to you? What are you looking for when you visualize these words in your mind? And do you believe HT is exclusive of this vision? Would you like your HT to perform as a great music system?

Simple questions, not Dogma, sorry if having to be more specific puts you on the defensive, but I was simply asking why you are seperating the two right from the start?

Right now I can only guess at what your intentions are, so if you want real help get us some real facts about your tastes and budget. It was all I was asking.
I guess I have a little bit of a different experience and advice than some of the above posters. I used to have separate 2-channel and HT systems. The 2-channel system was a "no-compromise" system, with Dynaudio C2's, Atma-Sphere MA2 Mk2.3's monoblocks and MP1 MkIII pre, Sony SCD777ES with Level 5 VSE mod. In all honesty, this would have been an impractical basis for a HT system for the following reasons: too much heat from the MA2's, would have needed more OTL's (read more heat) for system matching for the extra channels, and the C2's aren't a high volume type of speaker.

In my way of thinking, HT speakers need to be able to play loud and handle big swings in dynamic range effortlessly. I use Reimer Tetons as L & R, with a large custom-made Reimer center, and (for now) VMPS 626's for surrounds. Pre/pro is a Proceed AVP2, MC amp is a Plinius Odeon. I still use the modded 777ES for music. Also, while the AVP2 is incredibly good on music on analog bypass (for a pre/pro), I am still looking into a separate high-end 2-channel preamp for use only when listening to music. While the Tetons are not as resolving as the Dynaudio's, they aren't too bad either. Another way to go for mains, and center and surrounds for that matter, would be with Silverline speakers. They make some darn good sounding stuff at real world prices.

Dynaudio Confidence speakers can work in a HT set-up, as I can personally attest. I heard an individual's HT system consisting (speaker-wise) of C4's for L/R, C2's for surrounds, with the matching Confidence center. It was driven with all Sim Audio gear. Unfortunately, his room really sucked; it was way too small for all this gear.

In summary, it still may be a compromise but if done with care, one can come reasonably close in a HT system to an all-out 2-channel system. Also, money doesn't hurt either.

Bill
D_edwards,
Sorry if I was a little over the top (blame it on the full moon...) but I have heard that properly set up surround sound is excellent....I am somewhat of a dinosaur when it comes to any new equipment..I'm alloting about $8,000 max to a hometheater/audio system...my musical tastes are all over the map and my only request is that the sound be full at moderate volumes....the room its going in is about 23x15..I'm open to all suggestions including the video monitor size and brand......it will probably be used about 75% of the time for audio only....btw, I didn't mean I was a "purist" per se...really meant a dedicated audio system...thanks!
Bob
$8K will mean a compromise if it must include a decent large screen video display.

Kal