Soundstage wide and deep but not at all tall. . .


My system, like myself, is vertically challenged! This relates to another post I just made where I was considering adding a preamp. The shortcoming of my system is that vertically everything stays right at tweeter level at about 36" off the floor. The soundstage extends well beyond the speakers to the side, and depending on the recording extends 6-10" feet back. The speakers totally disappear, and imaging is quite solid. Everything else about the sound is so large and involving, but the "height restriction" reminds you that you are listening t recorded music. This seems to be the final frontier for a system that is otherwise very satisfactory.

System details: Cary 303/200 with internal volume control thru Harmonic Tech IC's direct into Spectron Musician II amplifier. Cardas Goden Cross bi-wires into Totem Forests. Recently upgrade both power cords to Fusion Audio Predators. Room is dedicated HT room with appropriate amount and type of room treatment.
jswarncke
If you lay on the floor when you listen, the sound stage will sound much taller!

Seriously though, I would play around some more with tilting the speakers back at various angles until you get it right (ie. to your satisfaction). I had the hawks (also the Arro) and while they do not deliver the height that my current speakers or in between speakers did, I never got a below the tweeter only height.

While with the Claws, these speakers may not be the easiest to play with tilting back, I would play around some more with this. Also, consider raising the speakers entirely. The Hawks are not that tall and maybe if you can get the tweeters above your ear level, they may deliver a bit more height.

By the way, of 2 out of 3 of my in between speakers, both had an upslanted front baffle for the midrange and the tweeters (Wilson W/P and VS VR 4 JR) and both delivered taller sound stages than the Hawks. But I always felt the hawks did a good job. Do you have them loaded with shot or sand? If not, perhaps you want to give that a shot to boot.
I don't sit with my head by the wall

Sorry - I went by the photos of your system. I would be concerned with what appears to be the placement of the listening position in the photo. That you have treated the wall behind the listener should help.
I believe I have read previously that a system being "out of phase" may cause the collapse of the vertical soundstage. Does any of your equipment invert phase?

Just passing it on as a possibility.........don't know this from first hand experience.

Good luck.
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based on any particular room, acoustic treatment, and speaker placement......height, width, depth and center fill of the soundstage......will vary based on the ratio triangle of the speaker width and listening position and the degree of toe-in. the other varible is the specific driver dispersion, but since that is not changable you need to ignore it.

sitting height is a varible; but only to make sure your ears are at the appropriate height for your tweeter dispersion. beyond that issue, raising the speakers or sitting lower will not raise the image..... but it may change the tonality (in a bad way probably).

i recommend you start out with an equalateral triangle; where your ears are the same distance from the tweeters that the tweeters are apart. then toe-in the speakers so they point at the top of each shoulder.

see how this set-up affects center fill, width, height and depth.

now move your chair 4 inches closer. move it back.

move your chair 4 inches farther back, move it back.

toe in the speakers a bit more, move them back.

toe the speakers out a bit, move them back.

separate the speakers more, move them back.

separate the speakers less, move them back.

at an equalateral triangle; you are in a neutral postion; when you move closer you are in the near-field, farther is the far-field.

more height will typically come from the near-field with the speakers toed slightly outside your shoulders.....but that can come at a cost of center fill.

but you need to try all these different positions to see exactly how your speakers work and to what degree. it may take a few weeks and time spent with different positions before you are satisfied. the trick is to get a feel for what causes what and then what set of compromises gives you the characterisitics you prefer.

i know i could have simply said "sit closer, toe the speakers out" and not been as wordy...but i think you need to take a whole picture viewpoint since all these adjustments are so interactive.