50 years on---the brilliance of The Band and their astounding debut album.
There are people who still, fifty years after it’s release on July 1st, 1968, don’t get what all the fuss made about The Band’s debut album, Music From Big Pink, is all about. I understand; I didn’t until a whole year later. It took me that long to figure out "What the heck IS this?" I didn’t get it AT ALL (I had just turned 18, and was still a boy ;-). Here’s what some people who did had to say about it at the time of it’s release:
Al Kooper: "Music From Big Pink is an event and should be treated as one. There are people who will work their whole lives away in vain and not touch it." Eric Clapton admitted as much when, while inducting them into The Rock ’n’ Roll Hall Of Fame, said "I was relieved in a way when they ended. I no longer had to live with the fact that I was not in The Band." Eric had gone to West Saugerties, NY (the town the Big Pink house, not far from Woodstock, was located) after being played Music From Big Pink by George Harrison (whereupon Eric immediately disbanded Cream), intending to ask to join The Band. He never got up the courage, and eventually realized they neither desired nor required his services ;-).
Speaking of George Harrison, during the January 2, 1969 sessions for what became The Beatles sad Get Back/Let It Be album and film (which are painful, for me at least, to listen to and/or watch), he played a new song of his for the boys, "All Things Must Pass" (which we eventually heard on George’s debut album). The song was originally written to be performed in a country-prayer style, which George later said he had imagined as sung by Band drummer Levon Helm.
During the fade-out at the end of The Beatles live performance of "Hey Jude" filmed at Twinkerham Film Studios on September 4th, 1968 and later shown on The David Frost TV show, McCartney quotes lyrics from The Band’s "The Weight" (an indescribably great song), singing "Take a load off Fanny...".
Greil Marcus, in his 1975 book Mystery Train: Images of America in Rock ’n’ Roll Music, wrote: "The richness of Big Pink is in The Band’s ability to contain endless combinations of American popular music without imitating any of them." The Band’s recordings made with Dylan in the basement of Big Pink in 1967 (now known as The Basement Tapes, The Band at the time as The Hawks) are now viewed as the genesis of what is known as Americana music. Ironic, then, that all but drummer Levon Helm are Canadians, recruited one-by one by Arkansas Rockabilly Ronnie Hawkins during his years playing clubs and bars in Canada in the late-50’s/early 60’s.
It’s hard to overstate the impact Music From Big Pink had on musicians of my generation. Everyone I knew, most especially myself, had to start all over, learning to play in the "musical" style of The Band. Gone were the Les Paul’s and Gibson SG’s into Marshall stacks, and double-kick drumsets with half-a-dozen cymbals, replaced with Telecasters into small combo amps (the Fender Deluxe Reverb a particular favorite), and 4-piece drumsets (tuned low and "thumpy", like Levon) with a couple of cymbals. Gone were the long solos and earbleed-inducing volume. In was ensemble playing, great songs, and harmony singing. Workingman’s Dead is an obvious attempt at being The Band (sabotaged by The Grateful Dead’s member’s inability to sing very well), as is Neil Young’s Harvest.
I still listen to Music From Big Pink EVERY SINGLE DAY, and have for years. Music simply does not get any better than this. There is a new, remixed and mastered (mixed by Bob Clearmountain, mastered by Bob Ludwig) release of the album by Capitol on 2-45RPM LP’s and CD, as well as a deluxe boxset with a nice book, prints of pictures taken of The Band by Elliott Landy in 1968, a Blu Ray 24/96 disc of the album, both the LP’s and CD, and a 7" 45 of The Band’s first single, "The Weight"/"I Shall Be Released". If you don’t have the album and want to, I would suggest you get the current Mobile Fidelity LP or SACD instead of this new version. I’m not yet sure about the remix.
Thanks for the insight bdp24. I just received the latest 45rpm version. I played my original pressings of "The Band & "MFBP" (Capitol) a couple of weeks ago and "MFBP" was bright or sterile...no soul, compared to "The Band" which also has great bass. For me. if this new issue is better sounding I'll be satisfied as I don't play any of the same music every day. |
I was 15 when Music From Big Pink came out, not being a musician, I did not get the importance of their contribution to the music seen but did know what great music sounded like, even had my mother hooked on it and singing along. Now over 50 years later and having a well culled 2,000 album collection this album will never leave my rotation of 80 albums that stay the closest to my turntable and my heart. |
When I was in high school in the late 70's I was very much into Led Zep and harder type rock. We had a home room teacher who was a bit of an oddball. He would try to get us southern kids riled up by asking us if we thought that God had a sense of humor. A lot of us thought that was very irreverent. And whenever music came up he would always say The Band was the best band in the world, which most of us thought was nuts. He also affirmed that the Band did The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down better than Joan Baez. It took me a long time to realize that God certainly has a sense of humor, the Band were one of the great bands of all time and the Baez version is awful. Any recommendations for the best CD recording of Big Pink? |
I was 17, a WI small city boy when it came out. Picked it up first month or so after release because of the cover painting by Dylan.(often bought albums because of the cover. Mercury's and Elektra's mostly) Put it on my father's stereo, Garrad TT, Dyna mono tube amps, home built. Don't remember the speakers. It stayed and played continuously all summer. My mother, not a rock fan, got hooked. "It sounds like dirges, only really good dirges." Yeah, still one of the great debuts ever. Which begs the question, What are one's favorite debut rock albums? |
@bdp24, According to my info, the new lp was produced by Bob Clearmountain, mastered by Bob Ludwig, laquers cut at Bernie Grundman studios by Chris Bellman. My lp has CB in the dead wax. Getting ready to play it now. After hearing sides 1 @ 2, comparing it to my original, the brightness/sterile sound is replaced with great clarity. The bass is there and much more enjoyable. It still, IMO, doesn't have the warmth and ultimate soul of "The Band". I'm happy with the improvement. As far as the new mix goes, that's up to the resident expert here. |
Oops...This album is one of the best ever created. Please listen to it, If you get the opportunity. I did buy one of the newer pressings 180 g from soundstage a while back, German pricing. It seemed a little bright But it was really nice to hear the clarity. On modern equipment. Recording was different back then! |
Here’s Fremer’s take on this LP: https://www.analogplanet.com/content/music-big-pink-gets-double-45rpm-remix-50th-anniversary-reissue I didn't buy this version. I have probably 8-10 different copies of this and just decided not buy another one. The MOFI is excellent as is the German and Japanese pressings. I also have a US and UK first pressing. I LOVE The Band and can also listen to them quite often without tiring of the music. |
Thanks, man. Most of us "old folks" who loved music were HUGE Band fans from day 1. You have brought back some wonderful memories; I still have them on my turntable often and listen to ALL their albums from over the many years they were recording. Commentors are correct: they are as good as any musicians who chose to write and record during this period. RIP, Levon and Rick. |
And Richard, richopp! He was the first of the three to pass away, at his own hand (suicide by hanging). A truly great, great singer (Eric Clapton is in awe of his voice), and very interesting drummer. Few know it, but he plays drums on about half the songs on the brown album. And he plays piano as part of the rhythm section, not like Elton John and Billy Joel, etc. But it’s not just us old guys who appreciate The Band. There’s a whole underground appreciation society amongst the hipper younger musicians, songwriters, and singers. There have been live shows in both Portland, Oregon and Los Angeles of local bands performing either all Band songs, or songs from The Last Waltz. And I hear The Band in my favorite older musicians; Lucinda Williams Country Blues is full of The Band, as is the music made by Buddy Miller, John Hiatt, Richard Thompson, many others. Nick Lowe has said his original band (he was a member of Brinsley Schwartz) were trying to be The Band, and admitted they fell far short ;-). |
@michaellent, I too have cried when listening to "The Weight". I applaud your courage in admitting to crying in response to music, especially to a sausage-fest audience such as AudiogoN ;-). No offence, Elizabeth. Some other songs that bring me to tears are "God Only Knows" by The Beach Boys (perhaps Brian Wilson’s greatest song), "West" by Lucinda Williams, and "No Time To Cry" by Iris Dement. I made the mistake of using the latter as demo material while auditioning the Crosby Quads at CES in the late 90’s. Luckily only Jerry and I were in the room at the time ;-) ---Eric. |
I could talk for hours about The Band, and have. Levon Helm is a musical giant in my book, and I’m not alone in that sentiment. Here’s part of his great story: Levon grew up in Helena, Arkansas, the same town in which blues harmonica-great Sonny Boy Williamson lived. In the mid-1950’s Sonny Boy often performed on the local radio station’s live afternoon show. Levon, then in High School, would go to the station after school and situate himself in a corner of the studio, watching and listening to the Negro band. He got himself a snare drum, learned his rudiments, and started playing dances around town (how musicians started out in those days). Ronnie Hawkins was a local Rockabilly singer who had had some success, and when he lost his drummer (whose wife had insisted he get a real job) he approached Levon about joining his back-up band, The Hawks. Hawkins had already been up to Canada, where the clubs, bars, dancehalls, etc,. were paying American bands real well. Levon was rarin’ to go, but his family insisted he finish High School first. No one in Levon’s family ever had! This was farming country; people stayed in school long enough to learn the 3 R’s, then went to work picking cotton or whatever. Hawkins decided to hang around for the few months left in Levon’s education, then Ronnie, Levon, and the rest of The Hawks headed North. Up in Canada, every so often one of The Hawks would leave the band, and Ronnie would hire a replacement from the local talent pool. Those replacements included Robbie Robertson (guitar), Rick Danko (bass), Richard Manuel (piano), and Garth Hudson (organ, sax), hired one by one. Levon had been happy to be a hired sideman, but now thought this version of The Hawks---later to be renamed The Band---were ready to go out on their own. And that they did. They traveled down into the States, playing all across the South, the Midwest, and up and down the Eastern seaboard, at every honky-tonk, bar, nightclub, and dancehall that had live entertainment. In 1965 they had a week off, so took a trip to Helena, to look up Sonny Boy, whom they heard had just returned from a tour of The UK and Europe. They drove into town, and saw Sonny Boy walking down a street in his suit and bowler hat. Levon reminded him of their meeting at the radio station years ago, and introduced the other Hawks to him. They decided to head to a nearby soul food restaurant, where they ate, drank, and talked. Some cops showed up, asked the young white men what they were doing hanging around with Negroes, and told them to get outta town. In 1965, segregation was alive and well in Arkansas. The Hawks made arrangements to meet Sonny Boy the next day, where he and they got down to playing some music. For hours. Sonny Boy was stunned by this white band’s knowledge of and abilities at playing Blues music, and he and they discussed them going on the road with him as his backing band. The asked about his UK/European tour, and the local back-up bands the tour promoter had provided him with. He said of the bands: "They wanna play the Blues SO bad. And that’s just how they play it". One of those bands was The Yardbirds, whose guitarist at the time was Eric Clapton ;-). Before they were to go on the road with Sonny Boy, The Hawks received a call from Sonny Boy’s people, telling them he had passed away. Later that year they received a call from Bob Dylan’s manager, making them the same offer. The rest is history. By the time they started recording Music From Big Pink in January of 1968, The Band had been playing together longer than had The Beatles, who were beginning their slow death. Playing together for eight before getting a major-label deal had turned them into the best Rock ’n’ Roll Band in the world. They will NEVER be equaled. |
jafant, the album was released on the 1st, and on that day I Googled the deluxe boxset (which contains a 2-LP 45 RPM set, a single CD, a Blu Ray-24/96 disc, a 7" 45 single of The Band’s first single "The Weight"/"I Shall Be Released", a set of prints of pics taken of The Band by Elliott Landy for the original release in 1968, and a book) and found it at a few places (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, the Hi-Fi LP sellers) for around the set’s $124.95 list price. The Band’s website was selling it for $150, and was already sold out! My LRS in Portland (Millennium Music) showed only one copy had come in, and was already gone. I looked a little harder, and found it listed for $65.64 with free shipping on Walmart’s website, of all places! It showed only two copies in stock, and though I thought "This is too good to be true", I went ahead and bought it. It showed up four days later. It’s factory sealed, and I have no idea why Walmart decided to sell it so cheap. Who knows if they’ll ever get it back in? It’s probably essential only for Band completists, the 2-LP or single CD enough for most. Or the current Mobile Fidelity LP or SACD maybe even better, depending on how one feels about the new mix and mastering of the 50th Anniversary release. A couple of nights ago I wrote a whole, long, very complete and detailed discussion of the recording of both Music From Big Pink and the 2nd Band album (the "brown"), including an explanation of the reason for the huge difference in sound character between the two albums, a subject broached a few days ago by slaw. The treatise took me QUITE a while to compose, and when I clicked on the "Post Your Response" button the AudiogoN system asked me to prove I wasn’t a computer by hitting another button. When I did, my post disappeared. Ay carumba! I haven’t had the energy to try again; plus, I’m not sure anyone other than I finds the subject all that interesting. |
All impact and influence aside, MFBP is just a great album that never grows old for me. Whereas Hendrix sounded as if he had just stepped off a spaceship, the Band sounded as if they had just stepped out of a time machine. The second half of the 60's was an absolutely glorious time for pop music. I feel privileged to have experienced so much of it as it happened. |
Agree completely tostadosunidos. Discussing an album can leave out the absolute joy it brings. I still laugh out loud at some of the things I hear The Band play and sing on MFBP. In the book included in the MFBP boxset, there is a reprint of a review of the album from the time of it’s release, in which the writer describes The Band as looking like they came out of the 19th Century. While the British bands were dressing up in stage costumes with lots of ruffles, silk, and satin, here come these mountain men in old suits and hats, very Appalachian. The Band’s music already sounded ancient when it was brand new, while Hendrix sounded brand new. It’s funny to me that Hendrix now sounds dated, Music From Big Pink still fresh. But then, I like timelessness, not timeliness ;-). The greatness of the music of the 60’s should include the first half of the decade. Bob Dylan started in 1962, as did Brian Wilson (okay, The Beach Boys) and The Beatles. And there was also the work of Phil Spector and his girl groups, all the great Pop coming out of the songwriting of the Brill Building and Motown Records, as well as the R & B of Atlantic, Stax, and other Southern/rural music. Then there was Roy Orbison, the Surf guitarists and groups, Paul Revere & The Raiders (laugh if you want, but give a fresh listen to "Just Like Me", a KILLER song!) and The Kingsmen of the Pacific Northwest, and Chuck Berry and The Everly Brothers, who were still making great music. The pre-British Invasion 1960’s music is unjustly maligned! |
The Band were not all alone in their musical direction. There was an entire underground counter-Counter-Culture taking place, rejecting the psychedelic style and substance that was in style in 1967-68 for a more "organic" music. Bob Dylan turned his back on the anti-authoritarian movement he was largely responsible for creating earlier in the decade, and his December 1967 album John Wesley Harding, his first since Blonde On Blonde, was a complete musical about-face. A very quiet, rural-sounding album (recorded in Nashville) featuring mostly acoustic guitar, electric bass, drums, and pedal steel, with lyrics containing Biblical references, it stood in stark contrast to the bombast taking place in Rock. I had NO idea what to make of it. Until I "got" Music From Big Pink, that is. There was also the new, very Country version of the Byrds, new member Gram Parsons taking David Crosby’s place and essentially leadership of the group in 1967. Gram was brought in by Byrd’s bassist Chris Hillman, who knew him from their Bluegrass days in New England. Everybody I knew had their Sweethearts Of The Rodeo album, and loved it. Parson’s and Hillman left The Byrds after that album, starting the hugely-influential Flying Burrito Brothers. Buffalo Springfield had a hit right out of the gate, with the classic "For What It’s Worth" single. Member Neil Young was, like The Band, a Canadian, and was extremely impressed by them. As I have said previously, his Harvest album is obviously his response to The Band’s brown album. Then there was Dan Hicks, who almost openly mocked the overblown music that was most popular in the Rock world. Great songwriter, much more clever than Frank Zappa, another satirist who mocked Rock and the Hippies who were it’s audience. There were lots more great underground-level artists working in the field planted by Dylan and The Band, but there were also hugely popular artists emerging who were making more "musical" music. Jackson Browne, Carole King, James Taylor, people like that. The whole singer/songwriter thing, which is not really the same as The Band and their ilk. Still, better than some more 10-minute guitar solo bands ;-) . You may notice that the music being made by the people I’m talking about is very much Country and Folk Music-influenced, or even derived. The music being made by most bands in 1967-68 had become more Blues-based. The Band very much had Blues roots, but that wasn’t very obvious on Music From Big Pink. Whereas most bands were playing music in which the Country element in Rock 'n' Roll (Elvis, Buddy Holly, The Everly Brothers, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, Johnny Cash, all hillbillies who played Country before Rock 'n' Roll) had been completely eliminated, The Band put it back in. |
“Workingman’s Dead is an obvious attempt at being The Band (sabotaged by The Grateful Dead’s member’s inability to sing very well)” Youre flat wrong here... blanket statements like that about the Dead never fly. The Dead did not try to be anyone but themselves. And they state themselves that it was the harmonizing of CSN that was brought in being friends with Stills and Crosby bringing in the knolage of the voice as an instrument; which is what helped pull them away from pure improvisation. If it was The Band, they would of done it a year and a half earlier; look at what they were doing all through ‘68 and ‘69. I think it’s safe to say they were not phased by The Band at that time. It was their own move out to Mickey’s ranch land and the new wealth of lyrics from the Jerry and Robert Hunter pairing influenced by that, not to mention the Bakersfield sound they were after, and also not to mention that is was actually more a return to their roots as a country, blues and R&B band, with Jerry and Pigpen’s roots.... And besides that, how can you not hear any soul in the vocals on Workingman’s Dead? That reminds me of a more recent statement by Dave Grohl, rightfully complaining about all these singing comparison shows making people think they have to sing perfectly or they plain just don’t sound good or capable. You obviously know your stuff...but the point here is watchout for confimation bias. That statement about the Dead’s vocals may be your opinion but it stops there. There was never anything ‘obvious’ about the Dead other than pure musical creativity. Putting down something to promote or put something else on a pedestal is never a good idea :) |
Good post jriggy. I read Jerry or Bob say it was CSN’s harmonizing that prompted them to start trying to sing. And I know Jerry played banjo in Folk/Bluegrass bands around Stanford University in Palo Alto (whose Frat houses my High School garage band played at in 1967-8. My introduction to the joys and danger of alcohol ;-). However, the songs and playing on Workingman’s Dead show no non-vocal CSN influence, but a lot of The Band’s. Listen to the two, back-to-back. It’s obvious. As does Neil Young’s Harvest, the only album of his that sounds as it does. Have you carefully watched Neil’s face and body language as he is brought up on stage at The Last Waltz? And what he says about The Band at that moment? Look for the "white substance" in his nostrils---he’s loaded to the gills! As to my opinion of The Dead’s singing.....I thought Pig Pen’s vocals fit their music pretty well when I saw them live in The Panhandle at Golden Gate Park in the Summer of ’67 (top THAT ;-). He did most the singing, though I think Jerry sings on "The Golden Road (To Unlimited Devotion)", a cool song. They were a VERY different band on their 1967 debut album, almost proto-punk in a way. They moved into extended jamming on their 1968 2nd and 1969 3rd albums, the one’s of theirs’ I actually kinda like. So I was not prepared for Workingman’s Dead in 1970. You know they toured across Canada in 1970 with The Band (as documented in the documentary Festival Express) and others, right? Coincidence? Back to Jerry and Bob’s singing. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I played and recorded with a songwriter who had perfect pitch, and I’m afraid he drilled harmony and counterpoint singing into my brain. I can’t STAND even slightly flat singing, and their singing is far more than slightly flat. It’s just SO sour. You can’t hear that? As for soul, sorry mate, my standards are pretty high in that regard. Ray Charles, Solomon Burke, Big Joe Turner, Wilson Pickett, and, yes, The Band’s Richard Manuel sing soulfully. Jerry and Bob sound like boys to me, not men. They are constantly straining to reach notes, and lots of words are sung as if they are running out of breath. They are simply not very talented singers. |
Well, like I said, you certainly know your stuff, more than me —and obviously prefer vocal perfection. The Dead have never been in the running for ‘best’ vocals on any album comparison ever. And they’ll tell you straight up they were never top notch singers, so the comparison is an odd one to me. Like comparing a $200 steak dinner to my personal best home grilled steak dinner party for friends. But youre right, I’ll take the human and imperfect raw improvisational creatively over a perfectly composed show every time. I’m one of the ones that senses a loss of something within perfection, and am catigoricly into instrumentation over vocals, so I am not hard on people for using their own god given voice to bring their art to others... There are also many time in the history of music —and art in general— where artist simultaneously reach up into the great-creative-collective in the sky, without knowledge or influence of the other. Picasso and Braque is an interesting example, as well as some blues, metal and even punk examples of the collective consciousness. Anyway, good read and good stuff here. I just disagree with using the Dead as a vocals comparison (to anybody—lol), and they’ve always been honest and forthcoming about their influences. |
I had the pleasure of seeing The Band in a small night club in Jacksonville, Fla. in the early 90s while they were promoting the “Jericho” album. Robbie was no longer with the group and obviously Richard had passed. I can recall standing 20 feet from Levon while he sang “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” and Rick Danko when he sang “Stagefright”. I’m still in awe that I was able to be so close to legends that I grew up listening to. The Band was something very special. Their music still put a big smile on my face. |
Fair enough, brother! Just to be clear, it’s not vocal perfection I hear in The Band. They aren’t note perfect like CSN (whose harmonies I find too "pretty", a little prissy. I think it may be Graham Nash’s fault ;-), being kind of loose and sloppy, but intentionally so. And I wasn’t holding the singing of The Band up as a standard to which I expected The Dead (or anyone else) to equal. The point I was trying to make (unsuccessfully, perhaps) was that the type of music found on Workingman’s Dead requires a certain level of vocal ability to pull off successfully, and that The Dead did not possess that ability. There abilities were of a different sort, and what The Dead did well nobody else has come close, an accomplishment few bands can claim. I apologize for the angst my comments caused you. I do suffer from an unfortunate and unactractive proclivity to become somewhat dogmatic when I pontificate on a subject of great importance to me, which The Band, as you may have surmised, is to me. And, if this paragraph is any indication, from pretentiousness ;-) . |
@bdp24, I heard a trivia question this week on local radio... In whose home (studio) did The Band record "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"? This persons was an actor, singer, & comedian. Are you aware? BTW, You last comment above... that's the way I feel about music in general so I totally understand. It's a heavy cross to bear, I know. ha ha. |
I happened to have just logged on slaw! By the way, the studio The Band built in Malibu in the early/mid-70’s, Shangri La---formerly a brothel, is now owned by Rick Rubin. It was in Shangri La that the interviews Martin Scorsese conducted with The Band and seen in The Last Waltz were recorded. As were the scenes of Rick Danko playing billiards, and previewing a new recording from his own at-the-time upcoming solo album, released after The Last Waltz. |
I remember watching Sammy Davis on tv as a young lad. I also remember the first time I ever saw The Band "MFBP" album cover. It was at a local county fair. It was a prize at one of the booths. At that something? BTW, is the property you are referring to, the same that RR owns that has an old Grateful Dead touring bus wired for vocals? I believe Johnny Cash recorded his vocals there for the American Recordings Sessions? |
Country Fair; seems perfect! When The Band took the stage at Woodstock, Levon Helm said to the audience: "Hope ya'll like Country music". I can only imagine how out-of-place they felt at that celebration of the Counter Culture, with which they shared no affinity. I hope they didn't have to follow Ten Years After's horrific brutalization of "Goin' Home" ;-) . |
Could be slaw. I don’t imagine RR would own two studios, but it’s possible. If it’s located in Malibu, I’m sure it is. My favorite studio in L.A. is Ocean Way, where Ry Cooder records. GREAT sounding albums come out of there, including John Hiatt’s Bring The Family. I haven’t recorded there---it’s WAY above my pay grade ;-) . I did track in the old RCA studio in Hollywood, in the huge room The Stones recorded "Satisfaction" in, and in which Sinatra recorded. It has a hardwood floor and adjustable walls, a very "live" sounding room. I overdubbed some percussion and vocals to an existing recording, engineered by Tchad Blake (Los Lobos, Elvis Costello, Richard Thompson, T Bone Burnett, many others). Very cool guy, and a great engineer. |
slaw, Rachel Maddow just showed how the storm was hovering over the Carolinas, moving only 3 miles an hour, dumping lots of rain on ya’ll. Hope your house (and especially your music collection and hi-fi!) and family are okay, and the damage is minimal. In S. California we had earthquakes, fires, and mudslides to contend with (my house was in the hills just North of Burbank/Glendale), but up here in the Northwest natural disasters are just about non-existent, for which I am very grateful. |
Wandered into a used record store today. I'm not into vinyl and hope not to get into it any further than I am. I was just thumbing through the albums when I came upon Music from Big Pink. I've always liked The Band and love the movie The Last Waltz but the only thing I've owned is The Band's best hits. There were two in the rack. Both used. One was $60. I don't know what was so special about it and since I do not have a turntable that will play $60 LPs I got the one for $30....which was ridiculous enough since I don't know what was so special about it either. I'm looking forward to giving it a spin since I've never paid attention to the less popular tracks on that album. Also got a copy of Morrison's Tupelo Honey. Not sure why I'm buying vinyl but it was a well stocked little shop with lots of vintage hi-fi gear in it as well so I wanted to give the guy some business. |
@n80, I feel I should tell you Music From Big Pink sounds like no other album you have ever heard, and some find it takes quite a few playings for it to "reveal" itself. I myself didn't understand it for about a year after it's release, not getting into it until after the 2nd s/t ("brown") album had won me over. The 2nd is more assessable, doesn't sound as "odd" (in comparison to other bands/groups) as does MFBP. So try and find a clean copy of the 2nd Band album as well---you may, as do many, like it more than the first. I'm guessing the $60 copy you saw was the desirable pressing that was mastered by Bob (Robert) Ludwig, identified by his RL initials scratched into the dead wax near the LP's paper label. If you like MFBP enough to justify more than one copy, Mobile Fidelity has an excellent version available on LP and SACD, the same with the 2nd album. |
@n80, If you’re going to get into vinyl and are going to buy used, you have to get a good lp cleaner. BTW, $30 was way too much to pay for that (brown lp). Once you start getting into lp shopping you’ll come to understand the market better. I bought an (RL) version that looked pretty bad a couple of years ago for $10. I bought it because I knew I had the equipment at home to bring it "back to life" I do this at times to try and indentify lps I’m interested in buying the latest remasters of. I've been interested in your posts lately and have noticed this... your thread "The future of music", you make several negative statements regarding the latest vinyl releases/SQ. In addition you reveal your new preamp/amp combo you bought based upon others' recommendations. You never reveal your tt. And even on this thread you state you wouldn't play a $60 lp on your current tt. I'd be careful about starting threads that put down the current state of vinyl recordings unless you have a personally well researched system that you could properly evaluate lps on. This is not to put you down in any way but a friendly reminder of more proper ways to make blanket statements. Cheers! |
slaw and bdp24, I confused about the 'brown' LP. That's the second album right? If that is the case then album I paid $30 for was MFBP not the second album. The second album I'm more familiar with.I've heard MFBP before but its been a while. Never gave it a close listen. Seemed very weird and a bit inaccessible but I'll give it some time. For me $30 was too expensive for _any_ LP. Never spent that much on a record in my life but fully understand that good collectible vinyl can sell for huge prices. But, like I said, I wanted to give the guy some business. Heck, looking for a good used CD recording of Veedon Fleece looks like it is going to cost $25. This hobby is nuts. |
slaw, my comments based on current contemporary music pressings are based on dynamic range recordings, not my opinion, taste in music or ability to differentiate SQ. So it has nothing to do with my equipment, level of experience or price aversion. If a new pressing of an album has an average dynamic range of 6 on a scale of 1-14 that's pretty awful and no level of equipment is likely to resurrect that low of a production value. |