williamredburry,
How long did you audition the amr cd77 for in your system? Was the unit broken in for a few hundred hours? Just trying to figure out why so many people comment on audio gear that is not broken in yet. It doesn't paint an accurate picture for people inquiring about certain equipment |
Optarchie
Do we have a financial interest in this?
You seem to have allot of info regarding what they have sent out and so on.
Every time someone post an opinion on it, that isnt glowing you seem too responded negative.
You are making assumptions that people havent broken the unit in or listened to it long enough.
People give opinions all day long on forums like this about other products; I dont see you responding to them like you are this thread?
Again, what is your interest in this player? Are you associated with it in anyway? Just curious.
God forbid people will have there own opinion!
I said it before; there isnt one thing in Audio that everyone will agree on, if there was there would be no need other manufactures, would there? |
I just pay attention to what people write and no matter what is said, someone always interprets what was written incorrectly. I think everyone is entitled to thier own opinion but when it comes to audio equipment proper breakin is required for all equipment. It took me almost 700 hours to breakin in my von schweikert vr4 srs. A one week home audition for a new piece of audio gear is not proper breakin for any new piece of gear and most manufacturers recommend at least 2-3 hundred hours. I hope this clarifies. Also, it seems that people keep posting about the amr cd77 and no one in the USA has a new unit. The only unit available is a beta version which is a demo that was updated to spec a few weeks ago.
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What is interesting is so many are griping about those inquiring as to whether the unit is broken in or not.
This is a one box player that appears very formidable according to the six moons review.
I am very interested to hear some feedback on the unit. I also know from experience My Esoteric X-01 Limited & Audio Aero Capitole MKII SE both took well over 4-500 hours to fully relax.
Do I have a vested interest? Yes. The same vested interest that any other person curious about this product and considering purchase of the unit does. Several thousand dollars would be a vested interest.
I think most in this hobby realize there is no "one" product that will be all for everybody.
What those of us that are curious about is to hear how this player will sound after a good several hundred hours on it. Not comparisons out of the box.
Let me clarify - good, bad, fabulous, ugly - review doesn't matter - as long as the reveiw is honest & accurate according to that persons ears in their system.
It is incredibly tiring to see people more worried about someones "interest" in a product than to hear about the product. |
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I'm truly looking forward to hearing the AMR cd player. The 6moons review generated a ton of interest but the speculation and anticipation preceding the release by readers of this thread, one existing dealer, and one former dealer, have certainly added fuel to the fire as it were.
None of us have heard the final version so it really is futile and a waste of time to discuss break in time, sonics, comparisons to other products, ad nauseum. Personally I've seen dozens of new products whose actual performance is vastly exceeded by the hype that preceded them. A cynic? Perhaps. A realist? More likely.
Afterall, this is only a cd player not a medical breakthrough or new form of energy.
Disclaimer: AMR retailer. I've not heard it and know nothing more than any of you. |
Optarchie,
The distributor here is the only one who has a unit. Fully broken in !!! You must have misread my comment because I only made a statement for the ARC. |
I thought you said that you had a cd 77 and amp at home for a review and than prefered the arc equipment |
Well reviews say absolutely nothing about the performace of a piece of equipment. I now beleive that all reviews are sold. The more a brand advertises and the more it pays the reviewer the better the review. I know some reviewers got very expensive hifi in order to get good reviews.
So what is left is forums like audiogon and audioreview which gives real reviews of people who actually owned the equipment.
My friend also was interested in the AMR. He tried the Wadia 581, the AMR and the ARC CD7. According to his opinion the AMR was very good but not as liquid sounding as the ARC CD7. He also choosed the ARC CD7 to be the best player. However he bought the Wadia 581 because of it's well known reputation and the high resale value after two years.
To me and my friend there are also other criteria than only the sound. In this range most CD players are close and it comes down to personal taste. He liked the AMR almost as good as the CD7 and it costs less than the CD7. But if you invest 50.000 euro in a hifi system and want to upgrade later you want to get back a reasonable amount of money. A 10.000 euro CD player which has a value after two years of 6000 costs less in the end than a 7000 euro player that is worth 2000 after two years.
But a small company that just started has it's problems. For example there are no known delivery times. What if the new player has problems after a while or the company will go bankrupt. In that case your investment is useless. So that would be a reason to choose for a known manufacturer.
To me the CD7 is the most liquid player I ever heard and that's why I just ordered one also.
Peter |
peter,
where do you guys live? I am also intersted in both the arc and the amr. Did you hear the actual production unit or the beta version? It is my understanding that there are no amr cd77's in the USA yet and all the dealers domestically and in Europe have the beta version that has been updated to the current level that will be shipped out this month. This is according to the importer. How was the base on the audio research player. I know that the reference 3 pre-amp is awesome. Is the cd player as good? |
Hi Optarchie,
I live in Holland. The bass from the ARC CD7 is awesome. It is even better than my Krell CD player and also better than the Wadia 581 which is known for ts good bass. It goes deep and hes control and speed.
I have the reference 3 as well and yes the CD7 is as good.
The ARC CD7 is the most fluent CD player I ever heard. The Wadia shows more detail but is also brighter. On my system it will sometimes be to bright. The ARC has all the details to but without the brightness.
The ARC uses a Philips transport and has 7 tubes inside. The components used are first class and so is the build quality.
Well if AMR has only a beta version it should be as good as the final version. Why would they demonstrate with it otherwise. When there is now a new version coming out this proves only what I said in my previous mail. They must have had problems in the beginning or the CD player was not yet fully developed. Even if I wanted to buy the AMR CD77 I would wait another year to see if they solve all the problems.
The first Audio Aero CD players also had lot's of problems and that's why you saw a lot of them on the used market. The new versions however should be reliable now.
Peter |
I was in Munich show and heard the AMR stuff and seemed normal stock pieces. I can not say about the sound of the cdplayer because the room , the system especially the speakers and the overall conditions were unknkown to me.
Actually I prefered the 2nd combination of Lyra Conoisseur 4.2 with Karan amp than Amr amp (cdp propably the amr cd77), which is logical since more expensive.
The overall sound was more fluid, warm in the full AMR electronics system. In generall good sound for the money unfortunately hadn't too much time to listen (Gryphon room, CAT+Ascendo+Audience room,, MBL room took too much of my attention as my personall top3 among many good others).
The AMR demo room also had room correction from German Fast audio and resonators on the walls from Acoustic system (http://www.fastaudio.com/INT/acsys000.html). |
Has anyone that has this player on order gotten word as to when you will be receiving it? I would like to hear from an owner receiving a new production unit...
Keep us posted! Thanks. |
OK - some of the dealers were stoking the flames of the fire a couple of months ago. Could anyone chime in as to when the production units are shipping?
Anyone receive one yet? Thanks for the info. |
I just picked up my CD-77 yesterday since I am a local buyer.
obviously there is not much I can say at this point except that the packing, the built and the details in the overall appearance are tops.
Something I can say about the sound is that I plugged the unit and played right out of the box, no burn in, not even time to warm up. The impresion ?,well, think about what you experience when you buy a good bottle of wine of a good vintage year and a good wine maker. You open the first bottle when it is still young, at that time you notice some basic qualities that you enjoy inmediately and then anxiously wait to taste the full flavors as the wine matures knowing that it will do nothing but to get better...
AMR has arrived to the US. Follow the feedback from buyers. I have no doubt that it will be very good.
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Do you have experience with the integrated am-77? |
Manati,
Any further thoughts about the player? |
Sorry, no experience with the pre amp. |
The CD 77 continues to make music. As it is today is more musicaly satisfying than any othrer player that I have heard or owned. I can only expect that when the burn in is done it will only get to a higher level of performance. |
Manati,
Thanks for your thoughts. Could you give us more detail as to which CD players that you have owned or heard in which you are comparing the CD77? Could you also mention what comprises the rest of your system? |
The other CD players worth comparing are the orignal emm combo, CDSD/DCC2. and the Reimyo CD 777.The first I had in my system for 2 years.The second I had on loan for 3 weeks.You may read my comments above.
My equipment consists of: ASR Emitter ll exclusive. Kharma 3.2 sub and speakers. Kubala Sosna emotion interconnects and speaker cables. Electraglide a/c cables.etc |
Another three weeks have passed... anyone else take delivery of this player?
Any other thoughts on performance? |
You've got a lovefest happening over in another thread:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ddgtl&1170648365&read&3&4& |
Here you go Slowhand, I brought this up for you. |
Manati
My system as yours. Could you give me detail as to which best CD Player ( Reimyo CDP-777, AMR CD-77, Emm Labs) you've heard in your system? |
