any current integrated amps in market have great dacs?


I know built in dacs have historically have been a bit of an afterthought, currently looking at the Rotel Michi X3 series 2 as it has a nice chip set

any other integrated amps around the same price point  with a good dac built in?

 

 

 

audiocanada

I'd like to chime in on the AVR part of the discussion above.  I'd have to agree as a person who has a little of everything that given the budget, selling price and design parameters that exist with AVR's you can't really touch esp higher end Int Amps and even more so standalone.  Not even close.  BUT!  Some can sound pretty good.  I have the Marantz Cinema 40 and it does a great job of non-top of class decoding.  Just my two-cents.  Doesn't answer audiocanada's question at all though.  lol

“Great DACs” cost more to build. In integrated amps,  DACs quality somewhat generally increases accompanied by increases in price - no free lunch.  

Patrick, your idea is valid but you are a little off regarding cost. Above $15k, I would say, or so, I don't closely follow the prices dynamics.

I think the performance (Integrated Amp with DAC inside) is about the synergy between the DAC implementation and amplifier section. Although having myself separates (DAC and Integrated Amp), I truly believe this.

Another gear I'm curious to test is the Daniel Hertz system or just the Daniel Hertz Maria Integrated Amps. This is the Mark Levinson' brand and it's a new market approach (proposing a complete system - Amp and Speakers). It's expensive but above some point we know that a step up is not a proportional investment but rather an exponential one (a "lot" more money for a "small" step in quality improvement). It's just a matter of deciding if we want to downsize or not, even if it do not mean spending less 😁 - sometimes less is more.

This is a subject matter and all opinions are right, at least for that person.

Have you heard about the latest trend of no DAC at all? Not joking.

Talk about lowering the noise floor. How about the blackest background ever. And apparently, pretty much everyone agrees. Which is hard to believe, Lol.

I have a Lyngdorf tdai 2170 and love it to death. End game. It's sort of the middle child between the two current models. The new ones allow you to stream directly from your phone.

The thing that makes their approach so cool is that it's sort of like a wire with gain, from a practical standpoint. 

I recommend you read some reviews. 

@mbmi who are you referring to, specifically?