ARE SUPER EXPENSIVE STREAMERS REALLY WORTH IT


Folks I am confused why some streamers need to be so eye wateringly expensive. I appreciate the internal basics need to be covered such as a high quality, low noise power supply and a decent processor speed etc..  but that is not rocket science.

So my question is could a decent streamer outputting its data stream via I2S to a good quality DAC receiving the I2S stream be a more cost effective way of rivalling let’s say a streamer costing 5k upwards.

I have heard and digested the argument for expensive streamers quality being centred around the management of the data timing via a quality clock circuit but there are very reasonable in relative terms, DAC’s out there that have dual super high quality temp controlled clocks within, at least the equal or arguably even better than the say a 5k streamer with some sporting dual high end DAC chips etc.

So could utilizing a good quality streamer and a separate high-quality DAC connected via I2S indeed offer significant benefits and potentially reduce the need for a very expensive streamer.

I say this with the knowledge that I2S is designed to preserve and separate the Signals so avoiding the timing issues connected with multiplexing. I2S (Inter-IC Sound) separates the music signal from the timing signal, potentially eliminating jitter or at the very least greatly reducing the possibility for the pesky music killing jitter which we all could agree would lead to improving overall sound quality.

Wouldn’t this separation ensure that the timing information is more accurately preserved, even when compared to a high price streamer, leading as clean or cleaner and more precise audio data output. With I2S, the DAC can use its own high-quality clock/s to synchronize the data, which will reduce jitter and improve sound quality.

Could this possibly mean that even if the streamer has a less advanced clock, the DAC’s superior clock can take over, ensuring best  performance.

So bang for buck would it not be advantageous to investing in a high-quality DAC and using a good but not necessarily top-tier streamer to achieve excellent sound quality without the need for an extremely expensive streamer. Surely the DAC’s performance will play a crucial role in the final sound quality.

Play gentle with the pile on please....................

nubiann

The less people understand something, the more they fight about it.

You rarely see people fighting about amps.

 

You rarely see people fighting about amps.

ARE SUPER EXPENSIVE AMPS REALLY WORTH IT? 

ARE SUPER EXPENSIVE AMPS REALLY WORTH IT?

@mclinnguy 

No.

Folks look for certain attributes in amps that supports their listening styles. Those attributes don't necessarily command high prices.

Some folks like 10-watt single-ended triodes. Those rarely cost a lot. You can even build them yourself.

10-watt amps are not my style, however. I like high-current big iron. That doesn't necessarily cost a small fortune either, on the used market at least.

Now, if you like that new-gear smell and you don't know a soldering iron from a clothes iron, then "super expensive amps" may well be your best bet.

Also, there is no need to yell, unless you were just emulating OP's caps style.

 

Expensive has different connotations for different people.  Really good amps that cost more than you should probably spend are worth it.  Just my two cents.  

@soix  So what youʻre telling me is that you can transfer terabytes of data halfway around the planet, transversing dozens of routers, going from fibre to copper to fibre and wireless with 100% accuracy routinely, but you cannot reliably transfer 10 to 50 megabytes over a USB cable?   

I hear what youʻre saying about timing, but why should that be an issue?   Are you telling me that a DAC youʻre sending data to doesnʻt have a buffer of sufficient size to guarantee proper operation 100% of the time?  Timing shouldnʻt be an issue if your buffer size is large enough. 

Are people dropping thousands of dollars on DAC devices and the DAC engineers canʻt add enough memory for an adequate buffer?  That makes no sense.  Your typical CD contains about a half gig of data in wav format.  Seeing how cheap memory chips are, why is that a DAC cannot easily have a buffer big enough to hold all of the data of a whole CD?