Best cleaning fluid procedures with VPI HW16.5??


I need to buy more record cleaning fluid to use with my VPI HW 16.5 that I recently purchased. Obviously I'm thinking of the VPI fluid (& it's the cheapest), but I was wondering what other fluid might be better, like perhaps the Disc Doctor Miracle Record Cleaner? Also, does anyone else believe in the Michael Fremmer theory that one should clean records with an Orbitrac or something BEFORE using the VPI?
It sounds like a great idea, but pretty extreme to me.......most of my records are about 10-20 years old, but were basically well cared for. Years ago I used to use the Discwasher brush & fluid (which probably seems pathetic now), so I don't think most of my records are all that filthy & hopefully will not contaminate the cleaning pads all that quickly on the VPI??

Anyway, I've only had the HW 16.5 for a few months, so I'm looking for any advice on using it to best advantage. I've had a Rega P25 with a Benz Glider for over a year now so am enjoying "getting back into vinyl". Thanks!
steveaudio
Never use a volatile alcohol on a vinyl record. Alcohol can only hurt records not clean them; it will make them harder and harder to keep clean by attacking the vinyl's natural protectant. Alcohol is an organic SOLVENT. Unless you have spilled something like paint or glue or some other organic material, you don't need a solvent. For strong cleaners, there may be a 0.001 - 0.002% of solvent added, but this is to help the surfactant dissolve better in water, and we're talking 1 or 2 drops per qt. All you need for records is a surfactant in water. Even the most critical lab analysis equipment, which uses vinyl tubes to hold samples, uses a surfactant and water solution. The beauty of vinyl is that dirt is very easily removed, but if you damage the vinyl surface by drying it out and causing cracks. I make 3 strenghts of record cleaners. The first will clean 99 out of 100 recors. It contains a surfactant for vinyl and water. You don't need anything else, if people tell you otherwise watch out. A gallon of vinyl cleaner should cost less than $20. Detergents like dish cleaner, are good for really soiled records, completely cover the playing surface on your VPI and let it soak for a while. I use 2 VPI cleaning machines; one for really dirty records, and one for everyday cleaning. The really dirty records get a second cleaning on the every day machine. Again completely cover the record and let it soak, I use these white felt brushes that someone sells in packs of ten before the actual vacuuming. You need to clean all brushes including the felt on the VPI regularly. Dirt particles on there can scratch the records and buildup of the surfactant can lead to surfactant remaining on the record and hurting the sound.
Bluesman-

You are correct that alcohol dries vinyl. I use a small amount (<10%) to break down pollutants, skin oils, etc. A surfactant will not readily break these kinds of compounds down. VPI's own fluid has about as much alcohol (or more), or so I'm told. The Record Research Lab cleaner has some lubricating compounds added to it which restore any lost natural lubricants in the vinyl, making an assumption that some was lost in the first place by age or small amounts of a solvent. The RRL product also seems to pick up any residual surfactant.

I've been doing this for several years and have not noticed any drying of the vinyl and it has not affected sound quality. ("Dry" vinyl looks dull and somewhat grey and streaky. "Good" vinyl has an even, shiny black look.) The very first ones I did this way still look and play great!

Ah, but to each, their own.....

Cheers
Jim



I really appreciate all the feedback......I have to admit I didn't know what I was getting into tho when I bought my 16.5. (I actually bought it to save time over just getting an Orbitrac--little did I know!) Thanks, Steve
It does save time- time being frustrated hearing snap crackle and pop, and adds much more time enjoying records you bought sometimes 4 for the price of a cd. That's what I like. Once the new " old records" are cleaned good, maintainence with Orbitrac/16.5 will keep them going. I use clean new sleeves after cleaning as well. Excitement awaits at the "New Arrivals" bin at the used record store. Enjoy.
10% alcohol is a lot. You usually don't need to break anything down on viyl because not too many things bond to vinyl. If some solvent is needed, it should be not very volatile. More than 99% of of records can be cleaned with a surfactant. Some may require soaking for longer periods; 15 - 30 min, but they usually come clean.