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Cary in bed with Stereophile?????

Lets get some comments on the true impartiality of hi fi mags in general, and the reality of high end audio. I recently auditioned the Cary integrated 300SEI, 12 W/channel. I have a Naim CD5 and Audio Physic Virgos. Certainly there was the tube "bloom", with some of the immediacy and palpability. But the bass tightness and articulation was not there. (My "reference" amp, an old 1970's Pioneer 50W/channel receiver, was clearly better in this respect) I comandeered my wife, who I would describe as a casual listener, to compare the Cary and the Pioneer. After playing two of her favorite songs on both amps, she said "this is a trick , you didnt change anything in the system". When I pressed her, and played another song, she said she could not hear any difference. The Pioneer is worth $50, the Cary $5000. Cary is rated highly by Stereophile, but they have two page ads spread all over the place ......
mythtrip
chazzbo
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Matching is key as well as your taste.Though tube pre's/amps vary in type of sound and quality/value so is the case for solid state.But truisms can generally be established .SS gear gives more clear,less rolled off highs and tighter bass whereas the upperharmonic distortion we like present in tubes makes the mids more harmonically rich.But you may like one or the other more.Plus you speakers may work well with one or the other.Lastly just becauseyou like tubes more like I do does not mean that their isn't crappy tube gear being built.Lot's of factors based on taste and compatability.
bobaloo1
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Cary does'nt need to get in bed with anybody as their reputation speaks for itself. Sphile on the other hand is like any other magazine-willing to go to bed with any body, any time, any where-just don't call them whores as it tend to ruffle their feathers.
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jfrech
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I owned the Virgo's for 3 years. I'll 2nd Abe Collins...likely a mismatch. I've driven the Virgo's with a small Classe 100W SS amp, a Bat 100W SS amp and a BAT VK60-60W tube amp. All w/ great success. The 4 ohm load w/ low power maybe was just to much...also the Virgo's have some midbass warmth...so that might have been to much of a good thing....

With your setup...those speakers can be very revealing and will show you everything upstream...I bet neither the Cary or the Pioneer have given you a glimpse at how good the Virgo's can be! Try something else...
alex
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Oh YES!! For there are a lot of 'High End' equipment designers / manufacturing people who can tell you that alot of the reviewers want the equipment 'donated' to the cause, another words ship us a sample and maybe we will review and if you don't want it back then the review is 'flavored' in to your liking. I will not mention names but some of the better lines never make the pages for they won't 'donate' and advertize as well. It is a hand in hand operation. Wakeup.
vayasteve
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I once had a CARY SL-70 amp and it went very well with a pair of B&W 802s on the top.Its very important to hear for yourself and find a dealer that you can become friends with so that in that moment when you want to test out one of their products,they will let you take it home to see and hear for yourself.I have a dealer that I patronize and I have the privledge to try something out before I buy it.This particular 12 WPC Cary amp only works well with a very efficient speaker,like over 95 Db,If youre using something like 90 Db the amp will sound like crap,plain and simple,beacause there is not enough power to drive that load.I really dont feel that Cary is in bed with Stereophile because then all the other advertisers are there with Stereophile too,So i feel that they have the loot to advertise,and MONEY talks and B.S.walks.
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