Critical listening and altered states

Flash-bangs are not grenades, there’s no shrapnel. Disorienting bright flash & loud noise, that’s it. Prevented many bad outcomes. Maybe problematic in your family’s hands…

Some big cop-hating issues you’ve got there.

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You saw a lot of money? You saw what was LEFT.. Give me a break..
How many times did YOU pat people down and walk away with THEIR money, their GUN, their pocket knife, their anything? LOL plenty of times...

I return pins at work too.. I didn't steal nuts bolts or ANYTHING, including TIME. Tell about the "GOOD" works you did.. BLABBIN away setting side by side blabbing half the night passing a bottle, or watching out while your partner taps a local prostitute for the "weekly" right to work the corner payment.. ..

LA cops impounding Latino kids cars behind a joint in the ashtray. DIRTY? How many times?

I’m glad you did your 25, I did 49 years of WORK... BTW Shot twice, stabbed once..

I did 89 days in a cage in Panama, behind DIRTY COPS, and payola.
I’m angry hell, I’m livin’ proof!!!

AND I’ve never hated a soul in my life. What they did YES..

Like I said COWARDS, Like I said Hand Grenades, Like I said DIRTY..

If you used flash bangs in the US. PRISON!!!

Countless people in jails, behind drugs and Vice. 1800 cops and you only new a few that were drug/Vice abusers..

You’re exactly the cop I was talking about.. Complete denial as you sip your single malt.. I can always spot an abuser of LIFE and then has the gall to defend it.. Sip away BARNEY. The compassion and abuse I’ve seen from the very same person that is every bit as messed up as the crackhead they were busting..

It’s never the drug it’s the person who is NEVER responsible. 50% of people admit to OCD behavior, the other 50% are in DENIAL.

I suppose there were "Good shoots" too, as some kid lays dead behind a cell phone. How many times.. "I THOUGHT" I saw a weapon.

Texas two years ago. 3 dead behind a warrant. The Dog, The Wife, The Husband. 59, 49, (dog unknown but dead). Someone ASKED where to buy heroin from someone in the house, who happened to be an informant.

He WAS a VET.. A state full of drunks and they murder people behind a warrant and ASKING where to buy something.. Just like bounty hunting and private prisons.. Put the whole lot in their own revolving prison door.

Let a thief go but hold a prostitute. One is making money, one is stealing money.. Usually payola of one "KIND" or the other..

@ianb52
Good point about the "paradox that with certain altered states the detail of perception and emotional intensity are increased, but the ability to do focused critical listening (left brain-type activity) becomes difficult and not fun"

I suppose my question is not whether critical listening should be done all the time but if an instance or two of listening done in these states might break one’s ruts and open up a new insight. That insight could be carried into a critical listening session without any altered state. We do this with books all the time -- read, immerse, get an insight, then carry it forward and apply it once the book is closed.

You convey this scenario really well in your reminiscence about how tripping "produced musical experiences that I had never even conceived and permanently altered the way I hear things."

It might also be the case that the "paradox" you mention could be sidestepped by micro-dosing.

@daj

"Show me a person with a fearful, negative attitude toward the use of mind altering substances and the exploration they make possible, and I will show you someone who is most likely locked into the consensual dream state of life as the character they learned to be. There is nothing beyond these confines for them. Bless their hearts."

Zing! And then you quote William James! One of America’s greatest, most creative, most open-minded, geniuses. To read James is to expand consciousness itself. Well done!

It was not my intention to create a referendum on drug use, casual or habitual. Obviously, for many on this forum, it’s a trigger. My OP asks a very specific question about audiophile listening and the fine-tuning of a system with critical listening supplemented -- or not -- with altered states. The fact that *this* question has been taken as a tee-up of a different question ("Are drugs good or not" or some other general question) is, um, a sociological result I wasn’t expecting. But noted, nonetheless!

When cannabis, which has been a medicine ever since it has been on the planet, is finally "discovered" to be beneficial in may ways, as well as psychoactive components in mushrooms and other "plants" on the planet, I suppose all the drunks among the population will begin arguing for THEIR "drug of choice."

This nation is steeped in ignorance and denial about so many items today.  I am sure those who decry cures that are not yet "approved" will rail against whatever "discoveries" are made in the future. 

After all, in today's world of the perpetually apoplectic, another "healthy" cigarette (4 out of 5 DOCTORS recommend KENT with the micronite filter!!) and a couple shots of straight 100-year-old scotch or whatever, peace will be found in THEIR drugs of choice and people using "newfangled" medical discoveries will be considered the fools.

Kinda reminds me of vaccines, but we digress...
 

Excuse me OP I get a little wound up about Vice.. What can I say.. I try to keep it in check.. and I have for 40 years..
Drugs, gamblin’, sex, traveling, anything that is a problem in someone else’s life, is a problem in everyone’s life.. EXCEPT the person in denial..
Like I said that 50% of the people..

Choosing to help the world is still a choice, no one was drafted.. Then bellyache about the choice. PTSD.. I got PTSD from SFPD, how’s that. LOL

I think I’ll get altered.. "TILT" puff puff pass. Play on Carlos, play on..
Got to change your Evil ways’

Hat on the floor as I slowly walk around to the beat of the music and my faithful dog follows me. I stop.. I slowly back around the hat.. Olay Amigo.. I like salsa.. I'm an American Irishman and Sioux go figure..

TGIF

My audio journey was launched sober, but really took off on pot. There was a barrier to listening vs. being “convinced” that pot seemed to help remove. I no longer partake, and my tinnitus prevents me from trusting my judgement on what sounds best, but I can fairly say my best years as an audiophile were spent high.
And nitrous oxide? There’s a barrier buster!